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Valve just pulled a Blizzard and seems to have gotten away with it. (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I find it odd there has been very little noise about this. Like sweet its awesome to see that there is a new Counter strike and the features they are adding seem awesome. People were very angry when Blizzard did this same exact thing, where is the anger right now about this?

I'm not here to say Valve should forever support their games, its just seems weird to kill it when there are fundamental differences between the games. Kill the official servers, that is fine since the community will just adjust and host their own servers but basically zapping the game out of existence seems wrong and it continues the worrying trends we have that can revolve around game preservation.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

OW2 PvE was 100% originally going to be free, then they cancelled it outright and only brought it back when the community spoke up about it, but now for a price. But yeah, as far as I'm aware CS:GO is still available so unlike OW2, you don't like the new one, you don't have to play it, you still habe options. Another commenter posted the how to if that's something you're interested in.

edit: also as far as I'm aware, Dota 2's engine update was just a graphical update, they didn't change anything fundamental to the game. As I said before the difference between CS:GO or CS2 is night and day, they changed a lot.

Edit 2: also I think it's a little disingenuous to imply that the quality of a game mode that people now have to pay for doesn't matter

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If you search for results before the OW2 PvP release last year, you'll find a bunch of articles and comments, that say PvP is free, PvE is going to cost money.

You said repeatedly, that the engine changes between CSGO and CS2 are night and day, and I'm not disputing that. I just think, going from 6v6 to 5v5, reworking and rebalancing heroes to accommodate that, is also a night and day difference.

When I was talking about how the quality of a game mode shouldn't matter in this discussion, I meant only when comparing the "name changes" for OW2 and CS2, and if a game "deserves" to be called a sequel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Fair points I suppose. Tho I think the real game changer here is that CS:GO is still available, while the original OW is not, thus making all other points moot. If I don't think that CS2 deserved to be a full on sequel instead of an update and would rather keep playing CS:GO, nothing is stopping me. I think that's why Valve "got away with it" as you put it. They haven't forced the new changes on anyone like Blizzard did. Players still have a choice. Whether or not it deserves to be a sequel is meaningless when the previous game is still available for free.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Note: OP of the thread just with a beehaw account now since Kbin shit the bed for me and I can't see comments.

Except its only technically available. If you want to use steam console shenanigans sure you can technically play CS GO and while there is a beta version up for CS GO it is an outdated version. Nothing is stopping Valve from having a new steam id associated with CS2. While there are servers up for both 1.38.7.9 (the one available via beta) and 1.39.4.8 (latest build) it is clear the move Steam did has basically killed that community.

To technical users they have a choice, the less savy users they don't. We shouldn't get angry at one company for doing something bad but ignore when another but more beloved company does a very similar thing but we ignore it because there is a hacky solution to it. Imagine if they did the same exact thing to CS 1 or CS Source. Hell really imagine if they fucking killed Half life 1 and replaced it with that abomination Half life 1 source. Like its cool to have an answer to possibly help but we can't expect most users to do the hacky solution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Having CS2 and GO as separate entities would go a long way for sure, but I don't think what they've done is quite as egregious at OW. To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's no where near as bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If enough people cry out for an easier way to access CS:GO then I would not be surprised in the slightest if valve heard them and did something about it. They're pretty good about listening to their community and that's more than I can say for Blizzard. That tends to be why people are less harsh when they screw up because they don't have a history of screwing up and they tend to fix them too

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