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If you search for results before the OW2 PvP release last year, you'll find a bunch of articles and comments, that say PvP is free, PvE is going to cost money.
You said repeatedly, that the engine changes between CSGO and CS2 are night and day, and I'm not disputing that. I just think, going from 6v6 to 5v5, reworking and rebalancing heroes to accommodate that, is also a night and day difference.
When I was talking about how the quality of a game mode shouldn't matter in this discussion, I meant only when comparing the "name changes" for OW2 and CS2, and if a game "deserves" to be called a sequel.
Fair points I suppose. Tho I think the real game changer here is that CS:GO is still available, while the original OW is not, thus making all other points moot. If I don't think that CS2 deserved to be a full on sequel instead of an update and would rather keep playing CS:GO, nothing is stopping me. I think that's why Valve "got away with it" as you put it. They haven't forced the new changes on anyone like Blizzard did. Players still have a choice. Whether or not it deserves to be a sequel is meaningless when the previous game is still available for free.
Absolutely. This is the main difference for me, which I didn't know in the beginning, although it makes sense, since it's been known that Steam has this functionality. If that gets some "official" support (selecting the version in the game properties like a beta), and not the current hacky solution, it would be great.
To be honest though, I still think for a lot of people across the internet, it's totally a Blizzard bad, Valve good, situation.
You're not really wrong that people think "Blizzard bad, Valve good" but they're kinda right in a way. Valve have a much better track record when it comes to not screwing over their customers compared to someone like blizzard (or EA, or Ubisoft, etc). Screwing up OW2 was one more grievance on top of a mountain of them and there's no hope that the community will get what they want. Valve on the other hand has shown they actually give a shit about their fans and are willing to listen (an example being how so many user requested features have been added to the steam deck remarkable fast). Valve is one of the few major companies left in the AAA space that seem to have any soul left, everyone else seems to have succumbed to corporate greed. So yeah, people might react less harshly when they do something like they just did. Honestly tho, if people are really upset about it, I don't doubt that valve will here it and do something about it, it's much more likely that Blizzard bringing back OW1
Note: OP of the thread just with a beehaw account now since Kbin shit the bed for me and I can't see comments.
Except its only technically available. If you want to use steam console shenanigans sure you can technically play CS GO and while there is a beta version up for CS GO it is an outdated version. Nothing is stopping Valve from having a new steam id associated with CS2. While there are servers up for both 1.38.7.9 (the one available via beta) and 1.39.4.8 (latest build) it is clear the move Steam did has basically killed that community.
To technical users they have a choice, the less savy users they don't. We shouldn't get angry at one company for doing something bad but ignore when another but more beloved company does a very similar thing but we ignore it because there is a hacky solution to it. Imagine if they did the same exact thing to CS 1 or CS Source. Hell really imagine if they fucking killed Half life 1 and replaced it with that abomination Half life 1 source. Like its cool to have an answer to possibly help but we can't expect most users to do the hacky solution.
Having CS2 and GO as separate entities would go a long way for sure, but I don't think what they've done is quite as egregious at OW. To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's no where near as bad.
If enough people cry out for an easier way to access CS:GO then I would not be surprised in the slightest if valve heard them and did something about it. They're pretty good about listening to their community and that's more than I can say for Blizzard. That tends to be why people are less harsh when they screw up because they don't have a history of screwing up and they tend to fix them too