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Yes, to me Tesla switched from the most desirable car to the least desirable one, exactly because he turned out to be a cunt.
Also in California I see more interest in other electric cars. There are tons of Teslas, but pretty much all new EVs (with temporary license plates) seem to be different brands.
My current ICE may be due for replacement after over a decade of use.
I want an EV with NACS that isn't a Tesla. And so I wait. I don't need anything complicated, but I don't want to own a car with the "wrong" kind of port.
Edit: Or they could layoff the entire Super Charger team at a time the build out is most necessary and leave things super uncertain.
To car manufacturers: don't trust Musk. I don't have strong feelings about which connector "wins," I just don't want to be using the one no one else does. And that depresses the value of the car.
You have exactly summed up my views. I currently have a 2020 MY and it convinced me that I probably won't buy another ICE vehicle. With all the crap coming out of Tesla and Musk lately, I also can't imagine getting another Tesla.
I'm just waiting for NACS to be built in and hoping today's layoff news doesn't ruin that as well...
Pretty sure you can get an NACS adapter now, but otherwise non Tesla vehicles pre-equiped with a NACS port are due to arrive next year.
You will always have the “wrong” kind of port for the life of the car. If you have NACS you need J1772 adapter to charge at some places. If you have CCS you need NACS adapter to charge at Tesla Superchargers. As someone that has both Tesla and Rivian, it’s not a big deal to put an adapter in your trunk and use it when you need it and you need an adapter for both cars. It. Doesn’t. Matter.
Yet. Eventually a USB-C will emerge. Then only logitech (backward OEMs) won't support it.
Which is why I specifically said “for the life of the car”. Every car will need an adapter for at least the next decade.
Oof. You think it will take that long? Very honest question.
If that's how long it takes, I'll be very sad. You may be right but that bums me out.
Cheaper to build new chargers at new locations than retrofit old ones. You’re already seeing that. So you can choose to have the “default” connector but not have access to all chargers or simply carry an adapter that gives you access to all chargers. Why the hold out against an adapter that costs a fraction of the car? Seriously self defeating attitude.
My car runs and I use it infrequently. Hell, I use it so the battery doesn't die. No lie. Where I like is imminently walkable.
So I don't need to rush into anything. That's not self-defeating; it's just realism.
Basing your buying decision on not needing an adapter is absolutely self defeating for the reasons I’ve made abundantly clear.
Also Californian, and I’ve seen Rivian’s presence exploding here in the LA area. If I needed to buy a new car today, Rivian is what I’d get.
Personally, though, I’m holding out for Aptera. The practicality of their dedication to extreme efficiency is just off the charts.
Adding to this, their reputation has really suffered because of widespread quality problems and the fact that they marketed level 2 automation as “Full Self Driving” is now well understood to be deceptive and potentially homicidal.
And anecdotally, Tesla owners drive like entitled pricks. They are, I would say, worse than BMW drivers but not quite as bad as Mercedes drivers. No one is as bad as Mercedes drivers.