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Neo-Nazi to face trial in killing of former high school classmate Blaze Bernstein
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 07 Apr 2024
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Sounds like the killer became a Neo-Nazi because he had to repress parts of his identity and couldn't stand being something he was "supposed" to hate.
This is why we need to be intolerant of intolerance.
I agree. I can start with the Palestinian protestors who are anti-Semitic. Deport them all
Yeah, anti-Semitism is intolerant. But protesting against genocide is just being intolerant of intolerance.
https://twitter.com/neveragainlive1/status/1777175437262643516
This guy is protesting Jews killing Jesus
Ok? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Intolerance is bad, except intolerance of intolerance. It's a bit paradoxical, but not especially complicated (imo).
That's my point, look at how badly I'm downvoted here for being intolerant of intolerance
I think the problem is that your initial comment sounded like plain old intolerance.
"Deport them"...and what if they're citizens?
Why bring up Palestine at all, as if it were some sort of gotcha?
There's a genocide happening in the world, and people are protesting it. That's a good thing to protest.
I've heard some of the chants, and they're mostly stuff about freeing Palestine. Not about genociding back. Some protesters are marching with Jewish people who condemn the acts of Israel.
I've even seen plenty of individuals, shared graphics, etc. of people clarifying that they do not hate Jewish people, but they hate the Israeli government and its actions.
If you cherry-pick the people who are racist, then sure. But your comment almost makes it seem like you're suggesting they're the majority in those protests.
I posted a video of a Muslim just talking about how Jews killed Jesus. This goes beyond Gaza, it's anti-Semitism. These people hate the Jews and people are downvoting me for pointing it out
That guy in the video you posted certainly hates Jewish people, it's not hard to find individuals full of hate. The problem (and the downvotes) comes when you make blanket statements talking about everyone in a particular ethnic group or religion such as "these people hate the Jews". Just because you found one member of such a group who spews antisemitic vitriol doesn't mean everyone in that group does the same.
For example I wouldn't say that everyone you associate with is Islamophobic just because you are.
I'm talking only about the anti-Semitic individuals.
...lol
These fake Palestinian supporters that are really anti-Semites, not all Muslims
Ok, so you shared a video of someone who is intolerant. We should be intolerant of that intolerance.
It doesn't really have anything to do with the post, but I guess it's good to find other examples? Lol
My point was people here will give anti-semites a free pass if they happen to support a cause they also support
But it's a huge mistake and will backfire
Which person here was giving anti-Semites a free pass? Lol
It's out on the streets where nobody confronts these people for celebrating deaths of Israelis, supporting Houthis who regularly execute LGBT people, supporting Iranian terrorism.
So many people think these allies on the Palestinian issue, but they are actually coopting the movement to spread absolute bullshit
You said "people here".
"Out on the streets" is something very different.
It seems like you brought up a local (to yourself) issue that's only tangentially related to the topic at hand so you could get up on your soapbox, and wondered why you were getting downvoted. You also did it in a way that made it sound like you were being intolerant of a group of people by brushing them with broad strokes.
Not to myself, we see videos of these people "protesting" where they are cheering for terrorism, want to get rid of Israel completely, etc.
Yet I see nobody on the left protest their intolerance, only the liberals do
"I" would be better to use. You can't speak for everyone.
I didn't say we as in "you and I"
I said we as in "my girlfriend and I"
That's not how free speech works dumb dumb.
I defend their right to speak that they want to genocide Jews. I just ask their visas to be cancelled to let in non-hateful people. Visas are given on a voluntary basis, there's no right to visit the US or Canada
Way to backtrack and hedge at the same time.
I never said they should be charged with a crime, how am I backtracking? They have the right to say they that they advocate for Jewish genocide. But you have to face consequences for your actions.
Stop speaking your mind or I'll have to deport you because I don't like your opinion.
That's the point, we have to be intolerant of intolerance like anti-Semitism
But I'm a citizen so you can't
So are they dude, where are you getting they aren't citizens.
Yes, the ones that are citizens you can't deport. But we're cool with deporting anti-Semitic people on visas then?
No. The Constitution protects citizen and non citizen alike or it wouldn't be of use if it didn't.
What?
The entry into the country by visa is a privilege. It's not a right of foreign citizens. You can be granted a visa and deported at the border if you don't have a valid reason for entry into the country
Why are you insisting they're not citizens.
And no you cannot be deported from this country for speech alone unless its unlawful threats towards someone like the president. Outside of that you can't be deported for speech, its the literal definition of free speech. What you're talking about is fascist shit.
Okay, let's settle for not approving their next visa application then? Having your visa application accepted is not a right
That's. The. Same. Thing.
Move countries of you want fascism.
So you're not intolerant of intolerance, in fact you're quite tolerant of anti-Semitism
I don't like bigots and I don't like fascists, read that how you please. Though I will point out that I haven't made a single comment about anything semitic.
Great, what do you suggest we do about bigots?
You specifically I would request you think before you speak.
Never stopped anyone, not an actual solution
Amusing. Please note I haven't actually mentioned semitism I've just mentioned how big of a fledgling fascist you seem to be.
I'm asking for solutions here. The original post says we should be intolerant of intolerance. What do you propose? In general, doesn't have to be anti-Semitism, could be anything like homophobia
You haven't called me a homophobe, you've called me an anti semite.
I did not call you an anti-semite
A liar as well, good job!
https://lemmy.world/comment/9252428
Being tolerant of anti-semitism is not being anti-semitic