Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)
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That tends to be the case for vast majority of anti-communists out there.
To be fair communist rhetoric online is a huge mess.
On one hand, you have the communists who are like, "human rights inclusive of all gender identity, basic needs met for all, no state and no class society!", very nice and cool, yay!!
On the other hand, there are communists who are like, "install a dictator who kills all political dissidence, support foreign invasions, let's go Soviet ultra-nationalism!", very gross and yuck.
That's just straw manning I'm afraid.
The same people who call for executions also tend to be narcissistic to the point of never being able to handle any kind of criticism, ever.
No, people just call out your made up criticisms made in bad faith.
Unfortunately I'm not making them up, because if I was, communism would be far more popular.
Instead of communists going, "well, maybe I could be better", they go, "it's all western propaganda that makes communism so unpopular, it could not possibly be me that ever does anything wrong".
87.6% of young Chinese identify with Marxism, and the party has 95 million members. Seems like communism is plenty popular outside the westoid cesspool.
"Marxism" polls very popular in an authoritarian 1-party dictatorship that strictly controls the internet, media, and speech, polls unpopular where freedom of speech is allowed.
This is not the flex you want it to be, you're really just proving my point that communists are terrible at messaging.
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(Also just a gentle reminder that dehumanizing an out-group is a red flag for fascism)
project much?
Point out precisely where in this conversation I dehumanized an outgroup like you did with "westoid cesspool", and I'll concede that I am as much of a fascist as you are.
this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/4226229
If you're referring to this comment:
It's not "dehumanizing" to criticize a government. The people of China - for them I have a huge amount of empathy and sympathy. I believe they deserve freedom of speech, and LGBTQ rights, and all human rights. I go out of my way to pay more for fair-trade goods, and avoid companies that exploit Chinese laborers (hello Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon).
There is a distinctive difference between unhelpful slurs (westoid cesspool), and legitimate criticism (1-party dictatorship).
You're not criticizing the government, you're removing agency from people living in China and claiming that they're not capable of making their own decisions. Thinking that you know better than they do is peak chauvinism. The fact that you confuse your racism with legitimate criticism says a lot about you.
Also, the US might have freedom of speech, but it's still an oligarchy with a government that serves the rich more than the majority.
I'm not "peak chauvinist against US citizens because I'm removing their agency", it's just objectively very difficult for the laboring class to fight back against the ruling & ownership class, and I have no difficulty in criticizing the US government for it.
Not at all what I'm saying.
I'm saying the government controls all the flow of information, and I don't trust their numbers to reflect reality. I don't trust Apple's customer satisfaction surveys either.
I mean, should anybody be surprised that a communist organization newspaper would survey high support for Marxism? That's like the NRA releasing survey results that show high support for zero gun regulation.
If you want to be effective at messaging for communism, besides learning to take criticism, you also have to be aware of your own confirmation bias.
The fact that you don't even see just how absurd this line of argument is really shows just how far off the reservation you've wandered.
Every single survey that comes out of China done by domestically as well as by western organizations consistently shows that people in China overwhelmingly support their government and see it as democratic. The only people who say what you say are invariably westerners who have never been to China or talked to anyone actually living there.
Thinking that it's somehow controversial that people living in a communist country who overwhelmingly support their government identify as communists is laughably absurd.
You changed the subject, I was speaking of communism and socialism being much less popular than they should be.
A country with almost as much wealth disparity between the poor and wealth as the US?