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Don't buy a phone on random creditors that install this shit. This has nothing to do with Google.
You going to ditch Linux because they support remote management too?
I'm OOP, I bought this phone outright. Google seems to be installing this on phones by default (the actual pattern based on people's comments seems to be more recent phones, but not all have it).
It's even shipping within de-googled phones, at some base ASOP level (or the hardware, I dunno, not that knowledgeable), as some GrapheneOS use reported having it on their phones too.
I'm pissed because: 1. It's installed when it shouldn't be, 2. Gives inappropriate power to creditors, which hurts the most vulnerable.
I bought a pixel from a german carrier in germany and installed GrapheneOS on it and this 'app' is still installed.
Then don't pay over time if you don't like not owning the device.
If you don’t control it, you don’t own it.
Which is why I bought my phone. See, my pixel doesn't have remote management. Shocking how that works when you don't choose to rent the phone.
I also paid full price and bought it from an official store with no connection to any carriers. Installed grapheneos and can confirm it is still present, whether anyone can use it is not is irrelevant if your putting shit in my phone that could potentially harm me. And you seem to take some kind of weird moral ground thinking people who default on a payment can have their phone which is a necessity in this era, turn into a brick if they choose to. You're lucky you can afford to but be more empathetic to those who can't.
Nobody needs a pixel. There are plenty of phones far more inexpensive than pixels lol. I NEED A PIXEL TO LIVE!
Dude, he bought a full priced phone and the distributor preinstalled ransomeware on it.
If you think this is acceptable just say it: "Distributors reserve the right to install ransomeware on the devices they sell."
Just say that.
Who's taking about pixel mate? We are taking about android here. Not the hardware but the simple fact that a device I paid for has harmful shit I didn't ask for. Pixel or whatever, this shouldn't be installed on anything period
You’re not getting it. Again:
If you don’t control it, you don’t own it.
Buying something does not mean you control it. You might have bought an Amazon Ring doorbell but if Amazon does not like your behavior they can (and will) render it dysfunctional.
If you don’t control it, you don’t own it.
Ah magical slippery slope stuff any another product 🙄👌👍
No amount of money you pay for your phone up-front will make that malicious code magically go away. You can pay cash, and you can even tip the seller. The code that reduces your control remains in that device. If you don’t control it, you don’t own it.
Lolol, nobody is using the API on my phone. Its existence doesn't harm me in the last bit. You should stop using Linux if the existence of remote management bothers you.
You’re very trusting of your corporate overlords. I’m sure they are grateful for your steadfast loyalty and trust.
You honestly don't know how this tech works, do you...
Imagine acting like having a $1000 phone is a right. If you didn't want creditors shutting down your phone, pay for it. Apparently this is an undue burden these days.
This isn't about my phone in particular.
The fact you cannot even imagine a situation where this kind of power would lead to vulnerable people having their lives be made even harder for missing a payment, shows how little you imagination and empathy you have.
This kind of power should lie with regulators and the justice system, not private companies.
Also why is this app ON MY PHONE WHICH I BOUGHT OUTRIGHT? ffs.
The code is inherently in the ~~firmware~~ (edit: kernel) no matter how you acquire the phone.
Every OS, including Linux, has a way to install remote management. Every one. You are just pissed at how the phone company implemented it. Might as well blame Linus for making the os extensible.
You’re still not grasping how free software works. Users have a right to see the code and the right to change it. They also have the right to redistribute the code. Your complaint is unfounded because not a single user of a fully free platform is forced to have remote management code installed.
Might as well blame Linus for supporting this.
If you fail to use rights granted to you by free software licenses, you can blame yourself.
Google welded anti-consumer logic into the kernel. Of course that’s on Google. Just like Intel started making CPUs with a management engine that can only work against non-corporate consumers, basically saying fuck the individuals’ needs.. putting individuals at unconscionable risk without their knowledge or consent.
Consumers have decisions to make. Is a consumer happy to feed a supplier who sells them something that works against them? Some are. I’m not. Going forward they fail to earn my business because they have too many masters.
Linux is not locked down. Users can remove anything they want from it.
If you get Linux from work it school it uses the same exact tech. No, you can't remove it. You don't own the phone. That's how credit works. Don't like it, buy the phone. You are just pissed that creditors are using it. Welding against the consumers 🤦♂️.
↑ corrected that for you.