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US lawmakers want a TikTok sale or ban, but China’s ByteDance won’t give up without a fight (www.scmp.com)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I'm a bit worried about the amount of people I see making this argument whenever I see posts about a TikTok ban/acquisition.

I'm getting the impression that, either:

  1. People don't believe there's (significant) Chinese propaganda on TikTok.
  2. People believe there would be (significant) US propaganda on TikTok following an acquisition.
  3. Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

Am I correct? Is there a nuance I'm missing?

I can understand concerns over point #2 here, but #1 and #3 seem wild to me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

Well since I see US propaganda literally everywhere else it's nice to get some counter-programming.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yli.think you make a reasonable point, but it feels like choosing between getting stabbed in the left leg vs the right leg.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

If it were the US vs another democratic country, I would feel like that too.

I'm particularly concerned with China (and Russia) because:

  • They are not a democratic country.
  • They do not have freedom of speech like most countries
  • As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

I might have a different perspective though. I'm a fairly recent US immigrant from Canada.

Edit: I'd like to add, my tone may come across wrong over written text, I'm just trying to understand people's overall perspective and whether mine is different, I'm not trying to argue and I'm not upset at you nor any of the commenters I've seen on similar posts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

They are not a democratic country.

Why would you say that? Meanwhile, Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Which isn’t surprising since capitalist democracy is a sham democracy.

They do not have freedom of speech like most countries

I can only say that they are freer than Anglosphere propaganda claim. Meanwhile Julian Assange has been a political prisoner for 12 years and counting, despite even the major Global North corporate media pleading for his exoneration.

As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

I’m not sure which countries you’re referring to, but maybe you mean the other imperial core countries. As neocolonizers, they are no more well-intentioned than the US is, from the perspective of the periphery countries they plunder.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're getting hit by a some bad faith willful misunderstander comments

It's true that Russia or China aren't well-intentioned nor democracies AND the USA belongs to that same group.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Your comment is a perfect example of what US propaganda does to people.