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Biden Calls Chinese Electric Vehicles a Security Threat (www.nytimes.com)
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Biden Calls Chinese Electric Vehicles a Security Threat::The president ordered an investigation into auto technology that could track U.S. drivers, part of a broader effort to stop E.V. and other smart-car imports from China.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is one of the reasons the US is looking to restrict Chinese EV imports. And to be clear, they’re so cheap because the CCP is subsidizing the entire Chinese EV industry, since they want to entirely own the market. But that’s not all.

China, as you may know, has a lot of serious problems around privacy and surveillance. More pointedly: it’s a surveillance state. It’s entirely possible that Chinese EVs could be sending back tons of data to servers in China. That data could be related to users and passengers… but it could also be area surveillance and data gathering (i.e. effectively employing multiple cars in a particular area as a distributed integrated sensor system), because modern cars have a shitload of cameras and microphones in them these days. I would be extremely unsurprised if the CCP was leveraging EV data gathering as an intelligence source. Think about it: they could give/sell near-realtime information to anyone they feel like. The CCP themselves is interested, I’m sure, in what’s going on in Taipei right now. They might sell South Korean data to North Korea. They might sell Ukrainian or Moldovan or Latvian or Finnish data to Russia. Those states might then turn around and use that data to try to destabilize the specified target countries, or even to assist with an invasion.

There are a LOT of reasons why letting the CCP own a vast majority of global EV production is a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Remember when the Patriot Act was a thing?

Surveillance of your citizens isn't a CCP only thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. I know. But we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about this.

Whataboutism isn’t going to change what I said, or how accurate what I said is.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not whataboutism, it's hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It’s really not, and it’s also not really apples to apples.

The Patriot Act, and the level of surveillance it enabled and continues to enable, is absolutely bad, and I am absolutely not defending it.

But the CCP comprehensively surveils its citizenry in ways that would appall people born and raised in the west - think “you were having a bad day last week and you yelled at a rude store clerk, and a camera caught that and flagged it for a party official to review, so now your metro card won’t take you anywhere besides work and home”. That’s a level of granular surveillance and control that’s commonplace in China, and would be absolutely unheard of in a non-authoritarian state.

To get back to the main points I am expressing here:

  • the CCP is an authoritarian surveillance state
  • companies in mainland China are forced, as a matter of policy, to give the CCP an extreme level of access to basically all of their data (incidentally, this is one of the main reasons the biotech company I work at bailed on China altogether in the last couple years, despite the huge patient demographics we could address there, because their surveillance laws directly collide with a ton of western medical privacy laws)
  • the CCP is a geopolitical adversary to much of the west at this point, and is becoming more adversarial
  • the CCP has an established pattern and practice of leveraging industrial espionage and reverse engineering to further their own national interests. There are numerous significant examples of this.

Thus, it stands to reason that the CCP, which is footing the bill for a meaningful percentage of their auto industry’s EV development costs, could very plausibly make “throw tons of sensors in there and pipe the data to us” a condition of that assistance.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago

That example you gave about yelling at a store clerk led to a man being murdered by the police in America (George Floyd).