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Police shut more than 14,000 accounts on Mega, Tutanota and Protonmail (therecord.media)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think there was someone who was bitching here at one time, about ProtonMail handing out some user's account by court order. And they were trying to be snarky like "oh, guess ProtonMail doesn't care about your privacy after all!" or some shit.

And your comment here completely clarifies the differences about protecting privacy from enabling you to continue your criminal activity.

I myself cannot be 100% sure my privacy would be protected, if the service I knew, was having their door knocked because they knew I'm up to no good.

Your privacy is ensured from the likes of spam, advertisements and corporate eyes reading your e-mail. Not criminal activity.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

ProtonMail advertises their service by saying they won’t comply with any court orders except by the Swiss.

I’m not sure where this particular court order came from, but if it was from a foreign government, that would be a big deal.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I want to know what happens when something is only a criminal activity in a state.

Is an Alabama resident moving eggs and IVF clinics to a different state considered criminal activity?

How about a Texas resident talking about getting an abortion in a different state?

I'm not sure if state governments can even requests this but it does interest me what Proton's response would be. What if it was countries instead of states?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

As this thread had shown, there are dozens of serious questions for them to answer. Not least of which is the fact since you are not a criminal until a court has found you guilty , who are they calling criminal?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

On the plus side, being that they're in European countries, they likely have the enviable position of being able to ignore and chastise the worst excesses of USA law. However, that's my question as well, this is all well and good, but it also puts them in the position of having to have a "scale" of which crimes are "worth" legally complying with, and which ones are "worth" ignoring and fighting.

They don't have to support the fanatical religious government in Afghanistan, for instance, but surely there are dissidents there who would like to be able to communicate without being monitored in Afghanistan as well. Where's the line? Is the line different for each country and it's laws? Are they going to count the absurd "religious crimes" there as the same as more egregious crimes like ransomware?

It actually would behoove these groups to codify and communicate their positions on this wholesale now because the issue isn't going to go away.