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France uncovers a vast Russian disinformation campaign in Europe::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Of course. That's been true since the dawn of humanity.

Russia has a certain flavor of lying that I don't see elsewhere. They make claims that are so utterly ridiculous that everyone knows it is complete bullshit. It's like some weird gaslighting / dominance thing. Lavrov and Putin are pros at this.

Purely by coincidence, you see a similar technique employed by one of the two major US presidential candidates. Only his approach is to repeat the ridiculous lie enough times that some people believe it.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Hitler described "große Lüge" in Mein Kampf in 1925.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Putin and Trump are both of course great admirers of this technique.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I like the bluntness of the name. BIG LIE

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

at this point I'm not even sure you'd have to try to disguise it. I think that Trump could admit that the whole stolen election thing was a lie and that people have ingrained it so deeply into who they feel themselves to be that they'd still believe it and still have the same sense of moral outrage that the election was "stolen".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Yeah, they would go down fighting, saying someone "got to" Trump and threatened him into saying it was a lie

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And I have already seen some people advocating for Putin say that if you compare Putin with Hitler you've lost.

What this also implies is that the more one's actions resemble actions of Hitler the easier it would be to win over opponents in discussion because they will inevitably come up with this comparison

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Once upon a time, in the early internet, invoking Hitler in an argument was always hyperbole and a sign you'd run out of arguments.

Those days are behind us.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Russia has a certain flavor of lying that I don’t see elsewhere. They make claims that are so utterly ridiculous that everyone knows it is complete bullshit. It’s like some weird gaslighting / dominance thing.

There is one other place I do see this strategy replicated, which is from the IDF.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Turkey and Azerbaijan

China

half the African continent

...

seems to not be some innovation limited to specific countries really.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Missing the obvious.... Trump, The Brexit cronies, any number of populist movements in Europe.