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McConnell on Ukraine proxy war: "We haven’t lost a single American in this war. Most of the money that we spend, is spent on replenishing weapons, so it’s actually employing people here."[paraphrased] (edition.cnn.com)

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Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

capabara-tank I regret to inform you that you have failed your introduction to 21st century history class

Like just little things.

Do you know that the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based in Sevastopol? Did you know that it's an incredibly important strategic asset? What do nation states do when an incredibly important strategic asset is threatened? Do they defend it?

Did you know Crimea has a 30 year long history of seeking more autonomy, or even independence, from Ukraine?

Do you know what the very first action of the coup Rada was?

Do you know what "encirclement" means?

I know Plato's Allegory of the Cave gets used a lot when discussion the hegemonic power of western propaganda over western people, but come on bruv.

Do the words "Minsk II" mean anything to you?

Are you aware of the tariff agreements in place between Russia and Ukraine in 2013?

Do you know who Bandera was?

Do you know what the Russian Federation's stated causus belli for the invasion is?

What do you know?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I don't have the time for the classic tankie "reply with a wall of text and deflections", I actually have a real job to attend to. But some main points.

Do you know that the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based in Sevastopol? Did you know that it’s an incredibly important strategic asset? What do nation states do when an incredibly important strategic asset is threatened? Do they defend it?

Do you also know that Russia took Sevastopol from Ukraine back in 2014?

Tell me, do you also support Israel's claims on Palestinian territory?

Do you know what the Russian Federation’s stated causus belli for the invasion is?

Yes.

Do you know what the causis belli for the US's invasion of Iraq was? Are you stupid enough to believe that one as well? Or does believing causus belli only applies to whatever country is not an ally of the US?

What do you know?

I know you should get a gold medal on mental gymnastics and double standards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't have the time for the classic tankie "reply with a wall of text and deflections", I actually have a real job to attend to. But some main points.

This whole "unlike you tAnKiEs I have a job" thing just makes you look insecure and childish.

You know that, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What you call "reply with a wall of text and deflections" is 90% of the time well informed and sourced discourse, you just dismiss it cause you can't argue with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

jokey one-liners: you have no arguments rage-cry

well-reasoned point: I'm not reading all that, I have a job smuglord

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you also know that Russia took Sevastopol from Ukraine back in 2014?

Yes? Because the Black Sea Fleet is station in Sevastopol and Sevastopol is a vital strategic resource? Are we speaking the same language?

Tell me, do you also support Israel's claims on Palestinian territory?

Non-sequitor?

Do you know what the causis belli for the US's invasion of Iraq was? Are you stupid enough to believe that one as well? Or does believing causus belli only applies to whatever country is not an ally of the US?

... Okay so you know that UA was shelling Donbass and killing people for years, and the Rada was very openly hostile to the Russian speaking Ukrainian minority, right?

I know you should get a gold medal on mental gymnastics and double standards.

Could I get a sticker instead?

Also that's not a wall of text you dork it's like 10 sentences.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because the Black Sea Fleet is station in Sevastopol and Sevastopol is a vital strategic resource? Are we speaking the same language?

So if the US has a fleet statinoned in another contry's territory, should they just be allowed to take it?

Non-sequitor?

What don't you follow?

Do you also support US-backed countries to take territory as they see fit? Or does that only apply to countries you like?

Okay so you know that UA was shelling Donbass and killing people for years, and the Rada was very openly hostile to the Russian speaking Ukrainian minority, right?

A Russian-backed separatist group starts a conflict and Ukraine responds.

Does Ukraine not have the right to defend their territory?

Could I get a sticker instead?

You can get some crayons to munch on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does Ukraine not have the right to defend their territory?

Do eastern ukrainians have a right not to be ethnically cleansed?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I don't have the time for the classic tankie "reply with a wall of text and deflections"

This is literally a deflection to avoid dealing with the (inconvenient) basic facts you should've learned before having any opinion on this topic in the first place.