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Jesus and the 12 Apostles are out to eat
Jesus gets the bill
"Why..."
Jesus rubs the bridge of his nose
"Why on Dad's green earth would somebody order wine?!?"
this post was submitted on 26 Dec 2023
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Didnโt exist at all according to reality, though.
Even if he did, I'm not sure 10yos are such great partiers either ๐
It's accepted among historians that the historical figure of Jesus existed.
Most of whom are religious people deferring to other religious historians who based their conclusions on a few vague accounts from romans and Jewish scholars that weren't even born at the time.
Key sentence of any honest article about "historical Jesus":
And as any rational person knows, the New Testament is part of a work of fiction based on old folk tales.
Oh, please do double down on those unsupported claims. I'm sure you'll be rewarded for the "erudite scholarship" any second now.
Talking to yourself?
I'm not making any claims. I'm rejecting claims of announcing absolute truth based on little to no useful evidence.
According to this scholar: https://nzpod.co.nz/podcast/the-ancients/jesus-of-nazareth
It is unlikely that his body was ever placed into a tomb. Part of the point of crucifixion was the public nature of the body being on display and those crucified were not given honorable burials by design.
The academic consensus seems to be that an influential Jewish man referred to as "Cristos" or "Crestos" did exist but that the resurrection and other mystical stuff was of course all embellishment.
'Crestos' was a apparently a common name for slaves in Judea. I wondered if perhaps the name Christ referred to a man who rose from the slavery caste to threaten the political establishment with revolution. Most of the new testament teachings are obviously political. 'Life of Brian' is probably closer to the truth than you'd think.
Romans kept pretty good records of what they did in Palestine. There isn't much doubt that a guy named Jesus in Palestine claiming to be the son of the Hebrew god was crucified at the time.
They were also known to twist history to suit their narratives and as the primary Christian power, pretending that their fictional guy was real very much suited their narrative.
To put it another way: since the Romans had a vested interest in the world believing he existed and there's no contemporary records, the burden of proof has not been reached.
Look at all the unsupported claims! But yes, sure, it is other People that must disprove your belief. Sure, yeah, so wrapped up in your faith that you demand others must share it. Just like the Evangelicals you hurl insults at. Simply two sides of the same faith based belief system.
Other way around. It's your belief that Jesus actually existed. I'm saying that the available evidence doesn't adequately support your claim.
My faith? Are you sure you're replying to the right person? Because I'm not religious at all.
Atheism is a faith based belief in the same way as "no car" is a type of car ๐
Fell free to prove you claim at any point. As you can't, perhaps consider accepting that your beliefs, no matter how vital to your life, are not superior to anyone else's. But then you'll just demand you don't have to prove your factless claim and that I must prove Jesus did exist. Something I didn't claim but in fact informed whose claim it was. And yet your faith in your personal belief is so fragile, you had to jump in and refute a statement no one made.
Please stop replying to all of my comments with the same ridiculous misconceptions.
It is generally accepted that the historical person of Jesus did exist. There are other (non biblical) sources fromt that era that mention a man named Jesus of Nazareth from the Palestine area in the first century. Which is only logical, since he made quite a political and religious ruckus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
I've been over this already with the other guy parroting the popular but unsubstantiated narrative of "historical Jesus", so I'm just gonna link you there.
https://lemmy.world/comment/6252063