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I mean if you think apartheid south Africa, Jim crow laws and indiscriminate killing of second class citizens by the police or army are issues deserving of nuanced debate you need to take a look at yourself.

My point is that the incumbent party and the opposition are both anti democracy and authoritarian compared to the rest of the world.

Look at the police brutality against peaceful activists in the capitol last night and tell me if that was China that wouldn't be used by the American media to tell Americans how authoritarian China is.

This is happening under the democrats, the alleged protectors of democracy. Last time I checked freedom of speech was a democratic ideal in America and the right to protest was a human right.

Neo-colonialists the lot of them sadly

So no ceasefire till every Palestinian is dead? IOF has a 99% civilian casualty ratio, to take out Hamas fully the civilian death toll would be massive.

A cancer is something that spreads and kills the host. Oh I've just described isaerl, funny that.

Resistance to oppression is always justified. You can critically support groups like Hamas because they are the only ones fighting the oppressor. If the UN was actually stopping Israel I wouldn't need to vocally support the next best thing.

So your issue is that Israel couldn't negotiate better or at all?

And I have Palestinian friends that have lost tens of family members.

Did looking at Nazis as the bad guys stop peace?

But no I'm asking if you support critically or uncritically the allies in ww2.

If you support the allies even though they committed war crimes and you don't at least uncritically support an oppressed peoples struggle then you are at best a hypocrite and at worst a racist.

Swap excess money for excess natural resources and you've got the US

Hamas wants hostages to do a hostage swap for Palestinians that Israel is holding hostage in their prisons.

This is true of any organisation fighting a nation state.

The IRA did hostage swaps with the British government and this was one of the reasons there is peace in northern Ireland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/18/prisoner-swaps-cornerstone-northern-ireland

Edit: looking at tavarins comment history it is most likely they are a Zionist mouthpiece. Hope they are getting paid and not doing unpaid labour ❤

Alright what about warcrimes committed by resistance fighters and the allied forced during ww2?

If you support those groups even though they have done bad shit then you're a hypocrite and you should try and understand why you consider them differently.

Israel doesn't represent every Jew that ever lived around the world.

Yes I support the Warsaw uprising.

Yes I support the dismantlement of apartheid states.

These are not conflicting stances.

If the oppressed become an oppressor my stance can change on them. Not taking the side of the oppressed while they are being oppressed is cowardly and indirectly supports the status quo/the oppressor.

Oh no! Not a German overcompensating for their countries role in the holocaust.

Both sides fucking suck, the only difference I can see is that HAMAS is bad for Israelis and Palestinians moreso than the Israeli Government is for Israelis.

• Israel has effectively removed freedom of speech in Israel and are incarcerating thousands of dissenting Israelis (believe it or not this is bad for Israelis)
• Israel has policies for killing soldiers and civilians if they are going to be taken hostage (dying is generally seen as bad for everyone)
• Israeli helicopters indiscriminately shooting at the festival are responsible for most of the deaths at the festival on the 7th (pretty bad for Israelis)
• Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas and has tried to refuse accepting the return of hostages (I'd be more scared of Israel than hamas if I was a hostage right now)
• Israel has a 99% civilian kill ratio when targeting hamas in this latest operation (IOF just being a shit army, bad for Israelis to be linked to this)

If you want to dismantle Hamas for the the operation on the 7th, by the same logic we should dismantle Israel 10x for all their operations since 2003 such as operation lead.