racemaniac

Dude, just stop. You're looking for things that aren't there. Period.

I find it an interesting question whether it's intelligent or not, and find it sad people throw out that question together with the rest of the hype. It's not "my favourite word", and i'm not projecting my hostility. You just can't seem to handle someone bringing any bit of nuance to a discussion....

And me projecting hostility XD. yeahhhh.... introspection isn't one of your gifts it seems XD. I'm the one being hostile XD. roflmao XD. I mean just here "your favorite word"... wtf dude, exaggerate much to make yet another pointless jab at me?? I'm not allowed to find this an interesting question without you painting me as someone who fixates on that one thing in the world and makes it sound as if my world revolves around "AI IS INTELLIGENT!!!!!!"... I'm not even convinced it is, but i find it a mighty interesting question that requires more thought than it's getting.

Sorry for trying to argue something i find interesting on lemmy. I'll just shut up next time and not try to bring up points you might not find interesting since you seem to take that as a personal offence, while you could have just shut up and let the adults have a nice conversation on the one interesting part of this hype.

Do you always change the topic to try and "win" online discussions? And act so unnecessarily hostile for no reason at all to people who want to have interesting online discussions?

I find the topic of whether it's intelligence the most interesting part of this. It raises a lot of questions. That the current hype is ridiculous that a lot of the energy expended on it is a complete waste, and that most of the ways AI is used is beyond stupid isn't even worth talking about, that's just plain obvious.

That for sure is a problem with all modern bullshit technologies they want to hype in order to get people to use/buy it.

Look at smart tv's... everyone assumes they're awesome since they're smart tv's, that's of course better than a regular tv. They'll of course never mention that this just means that it's a tv with a 100$ android box embedded that they'll abuse to try to serve you extra ads, that they'll not bother to update so your tv becomes obsolete in a couple of years, and that you can achieve the same thing by just buying the android box sepearately and connect that to a regular tv, which won't make your entire tv become obsolete when the cheap android box doesn't get updated anymore...

So yeah, i can imagine you have an issue with it being marked as (competent) AI.

Lol, wtf XD

"That doesnt change anything about the current situation even if thats true though."

Yeah, i assumed me writing "I agree with most of your points" conveyed that. Do you always imagine random things to attack instead of just reading what people actually write?

wtf O_o

I just don't like people being like "but it's not real intelligence" while we don't even know what intelligence is, and we're thus avoiding the one part of this stupid hype that could be interesting:: philosophical questions about our own intelligence/humanity/....

I agree with most of your points, but i don't entirely like the "this is not intelligence" line of thought. We don't even know yet how to define intelligence, and pattern recognition sounds a LOT like what our brains do. The hype is of course ridiculous, and the ways it's being used is just stupid, but i do think pattern recognition could be a solid basis for whatever we end up considering intelligence.

Once it becomes too big the forum admin should realize it's time to make a subsection regarding that topic XD.

Forums for sure aren't perfect, but a 20 page forum thread that does a deep dive into a topic with a lot of good contributors beats anything i expect to find on discord or lemmy.

Don't agree with this, there's a huge difference between a forum and something like lemmy: how what you see is determined. On a forum as long as discussion is happening, a thread stays on top. On a more social media site like this, things only remain relevant a couple of days at most, while forum threads can go on for years. That makes sites like this more focused on short and shallow discussions, where forums imo allow for more in depth discussions.

Without actual examples it's really hard to tell if the forum was just a toxic environment, or you were the newbie not reading the room. I've seen both happen.

Isn't the main difference just that forums are focused on longer discussions, and reddit/lemmy are focused on a constant stream of content?

I'd prefer forums for a lot of my interests, a well managed forum will contain long in depth discussion regarding important topics that the likes of lemmy/reddit/discord either don't, or if they do, good luck finding it. If however you just want to visit it in the morning and see something different than you saw yesterday, yeah for just raw speed of content, forums suck.

But is that really better?

I'm kind of wondering what forums you visited.

What however is a recurrent issue with young people on forums is them asking questions that have already been answered a million times. On sites like reddit & discord, that's the norm, we need new content all the time, the 526th person asking just keeps the social media going.

On forums however the etiquette is that you do some effort yourself, and something that gets asked that often is either a sticky, or a long running thread with all the information you could possibly want (but you'll need to invest some of your own time to get the information from there). And if you then arrive on the forum, read nothing, and ask the same question... again... yeah... you won't be welcomed with open arms.

Who's talking about abroad? Maybe they have peoplke in russia working on the project and they need to check their safety?

Keeping up a server that allows migration has negligable costs for a product the size of minecraft. There is no excuse....