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This is just to start training and organizing the guerilla cells that will be left behind for the protracted conflict.

I think maybe you're just not a very careful reader.

Because America is dying?

I'm not doing acceleration. You libs really gotta figure out the difference between the layers of reality. This is happening. I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't advocate for Trump to be elected on the grounds that it would accelerate collapse. But here we are. It's happening. I'm not going to fucking weep for America. That doesn't make me an accelerationist.

"Newly fascist US" is pretty ridiculous when you consider the 1939 Nazi rally at MSG in NYC, Operation Paperclip, Operation Gladio, the USA selecting former Nazi officers to lead NATO, Hitler's explicit writings in Mein Kampf of following the American model of indigenous genocide, black slavery, and apartheid, the USA's repeated veto of the UN resolution to condemn the worshiping of Nazis, the neverending free-speech protections of white supremacist and neonazis simultaneous with the neverending police murder and brutality of black and brown people, etc, etc, etc.

And Canada doesn't a pass on this either. They, too, glorify Nazis while raping and murdering indigenous people.

Weep for America.... fuck right off.

Wow. So the US, France, England, Germany, Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands have been regularly banned from international sporting events? That's cool. Never heard of that.

You don't understand anything about military reality, let alone actual motivations.

The CIA itself reports and has been reporting for years that Putin has no expansionist ambitions politically and no expansionist capabilities militarily.

There's a reason why the Russian military has not tried to take Kiev and it's because defending supply lines across the wide open plains of Ukraine is incredibly difficult and costly.

Russia is not capable of taking all of Eastern Europe and holidng and it has no plans or intentions to do so.

She lost the popular vote. So whatever strategy they thought of was an abject failure

How much did that courting the right help the DNC? Zilch.

Case in point. In so many red states, the popular vote went to trump, but the proposals to enshrined abortion in law passed.

You're making the same mistake the Ds did - there are far more people who want an anti-imperialist, for-the-people, medicare-for-all party. Instead their stuck with a fascist party and a party so shitty it's trying to tail the fascist party.

That's like a business saying the public caused them to fail because the public wouldn't buy their shit products. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Respect is when you promise to walk away if your discursive partner refuses to accept your faulty premises.

IF the elections are rigged by the MIC to wrap fait accompli into a cohesive and digestable narrative, the surrender of Ukraine is one of those things that might have required Trump at the helm for it to be believable. He's anti-China and anti-Arab so he can just as easily maintain the existing war drives, but he's also the cover necessary to let Ukraine fall and continue the hollowing out of Europe.

I don't think they're rigged. But if they were...

I’m willing to try one more time with you.

Oh how gracious! Thank you!

Your point was that after electing Trump, the only thing that changes is “rhetoric, the only thing that matters to some people”, and I disagreed by citing examples of how our rights were rolled back during his previous term. This means I am saying, “you’re wrong - it’s not just rhetoric that changes. It’s also our rights as Americans.”

Yeah, I'm aware. And as it turns out ALL of the things you can cite for Trump are ALSO things you can cite for NOT TRUMP, as I did by citing examples of how our rights are rolled back, attacked, diminished, and destroyed under prior administrations including Biden's.

This means I am saying "our rights" are constantly being harmed regardless of who is in office and that the only thing that changes is the framing and lens, which includes the rhetoric as well as the particular strategies of harm that result in harm being targeted in specific ways. It's not less harm under Democrats, it's not less harm under NOT TRUMP, it's just different framing.

I understand that you’re severely critical of the Democratic party

If that's your understanding, then you're not understanding. I'm severely critical of the entire American project along its entire continuum of existence and absolutely every single leader that has ever been elected. I'll take that one step further so you understand how far off you are - I denounce the entirety of the colonial system that gave birth to and is continued by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the rest of the British Commonwealth abroad, and the foreign holdings of all European countries, their leaders, their parties-in-power, their owning classes, and their supporting militaries, academies, religious institutions, and NGOs.

Do you get it now?

but are you really willing to say that the only measurable change to our society during a second Trump term is rhetoric? It’s going to get a lot of people killed, man. You should care about that.

I CHALLENGE you to attempt to catalog the number of people who died as a result of each administration for the last 20 administrations and see if you can find ANY evidence that who is president matters at all along that dimension. Clinton bombed Yugoslavia. Bush destroyed Iraq. Obama destroyed Libya. The Afghanistan affair spanned 20 fucking year. Ukraine is the direct result of the US arming and training Ukraine and expanding nuclear NATO as part of a project that started under Clinton. Trump literally was the first president to approve arms transfers to Ukraine as part of the escalation ladder that led to Biden overseeing the continued expansion of NATO. But it was under Obama that John McCain (R) and Victoria Nuland (?D?) went to Ukraine to participate in the violent transfer of power that started with training and organizing fascists and ended with Right Sector storming the capitol with gun drawn.

And that's to say nothing of the non-stop destruction of water, land, and food of the indigenous people across the Americas, the residential schools that were overseen by both parties over many decades, the forced sterilization overseen by both parties over many decades, the incarceration and ensnaring-in-poverty of the black population overseen by both parties over many decades.

I won’t get pulled into the weeds with you. Either backpedal or admit that you were wrong, or I’m leaving the conversation.

What the fuck kind of discourse do you think this is where what I want is to continue a conversation with someone who thinks they are fundamentally correct without doubt and simultaneously believes their engagement is so desirable that withdrawing it is an effective gambit.

Fuck off