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https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/us/native-lives-matter/index.html

I mean...

Look man, if your options are literally only "do nothing and accept your fate" or "kill a bunch of innocent people who never did anything to you and actually may have supported you" then maybe you should just give up and accept your fate, because we're literally seeing how many more innocents are dying because of this. They didn't put a dent in Israel's defenses. They gave Israel more excuses to the international community to murder even more innocents. Great plan, Hamas. I'm glad it worked out so swimmingly and actually changed things instead of just continuing the same bullshit cycle. /s

If you can point to me out how this is going to result in anything other than more death and destruction, feel free to clue me in. Because fuck nothing has changed. They didn't take out the people responsible. They didn't change the power balance, and now even more Palestinians are paying the price because Israel is a fucked up aggressor.

Acting like a bad plan that resulted in more innocents deaths is some great blow against the establishment is dumb as fuck.

Agreed, of course. Was just pointing out that such a thing did exist. Charities are not the most effective way to handle such issues, absolutely.

Charities absolutely rely on things like public relations and advertising campaigns to raise awareness that they exist and/or need funding. It leaves everyone at the mercy of which charity is "most popular" and if yours isn't very popular, you could see it disappear. It also means a significant portion of the budget is spent on things that don't actually address the real problem, which is hunger.

I would hope, if I was going to attack them, I would have the ability and willingness to attack military or political targets: in other words, the people who are actually most responsible for the current state of Israel and its willingness to continue occupying Palestine. Like the US, Israeli "democracy" isn't necessarily super representative of what the beliefs of a lot of the citizens of the country are. It goes without saying that Palestinians have a right to self-direction and the international community should be recognizing them as a nation, and they deserve all that without constant encroachments and stealing land and being kept in a ghetto.

However, choosing to attack civilians who may have actually been sympathetic to you is a path that actually undermines your ability to get more sympathizers. Just like Israel killing civilians in Palestine just makes more people support Hamas. It's a stupid, vicious cycle where attacking civilians on both sides just keeps getting both sides more entrenched in belief they're correct, because the other side attacks innocents. Each side conveniently ignoring all the innocents they've slaughtered.

Further, these are both driven by terrible ass Abrahamic religions that are both warring over the same Holy City. Like in the US, it's religion holding us back and making people wildly violent. Just look at the MAGAs, they're frothing at the mouth at wanting to kill people who don't believe like they do, even though they hardly even ascribe to any of the values of their own ostensible religion. They're both religions with a terrible fundamentalist streak (Islam and Judaism), and it is part of why both sides are so willing to commit atrocities: because they believe their God is behind them, and thus they have faith they are in the right.

Seriously, if they want me to take them seriously, they could pop Netanyahu and his fucking cronies, who have shown the Israeli government to be a corrupt sham much in the way Reagan, Bushes and Trump did for the US. Nah, they're too eager to go after innocents. Both sides are too eager to do that, and I'm not getting behind either ancient ass bullshit ass bigoted fucking religion.

It's called collective punishment and there's a reason it's a warcrime. Being willing to punish any and every Israeli citizen for the crimes of some is just as bad and the exact same thing as what Israel is doing by cutting off power to everyone in Gaza.

Both sides are willing to punish everyone who they consider different than them. Both Hamas and the Israeli government operate on the idea that everyone needs to be punished for the crimes of the other side.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about both partaking in collective punishment. Israel has more power, money, and resources, absolutely. They've been horrendous to the people of Palestine, for over fifty years now.

That will never justify killing innocents, my dude.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

...and you're treated as culturally insensitive if you point out that it's partially motivated because of two bullshit ass religions, and the reason they won't stop is because they've each just got to prove their God has the bigger dick, even though they're technically the same God.

Oh, I don't disagree, but Hamas committing similar atrocities isn't helping. A war crime is a war crime is a war crime. Targeting innocent civilians is never justified, and that is something both sides continue to do: target innocent civilians. Both sides essentially are involved in collective punishment of each other. In other words, war crimes.

Both sides are guilty as hell of some really fucked up shit. Yes, Israel is the occupier, but it doesn't justify killing innocents. Period.

Just like killing innocents in Palestine makes more sympathizers for Hamas, killing innocents in Israel just makes more sympathizers for the Israeli right-wing like Netanyahu.

It's a two way street and while Palestine has been oppressed for 50-some-odd years now, it just doesn't justify killing people who had nothing to do with making those decisions.

It definitely seems like a perspective that you have to be able to step back and be like "neither side is justified in their behavior" which is hard for people with a horse in the race to do.

Hamas: Bad guys

Israeli government: Bad guys

Innocents on both sides are just caught in the middle of both Hamas and Israel committing to collective punishment which is a war crime.

I don't know what's so hard about admitting that both sides are indeed at fault here.

I dunno, I always thought it was meant to mimic organics.

"Cable management" inside the human body is horrendous. So it felt like in the mixing of machine and biology, the machines had to become more biological in the way they worked to function properly in tandem with the Borg biology.

Souls-like, but not as difficult.

The sale of Pebble was supposed to include the developers jobs. They found out very late in the game that this wasn't true. He screwed his devs on the way out. Basically said "fuck your job, good luck.". Real shitty way to handle it, imo.

Coupled with the fact that it meant all real support for Pebble was gone as well, it really was about Micigovsky making out with a bunch of money and saying "good luck, I dont actually care what happens" to his devs and the people who bought a Pebble.

The way it shook out just doesn't make me trust him. I think he would do the same thing again, sell to a more scummy third party who will strip Beeper for profit when he isn't making enough money.

I honestly distrust their business model as a successful long term one, based on his past.