Tinidril

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

People generally don't realize that the only way to get an option to the left of the democrats is if Republicans no longer win elections.

Absofuckinglutely wrong. The number of Democrats still buying this bullshit is astounding. THIS is why you lose so damn much.

No Democratic candidate has had more support from right leaning voters than Bernie Sanders in the last 30 years. Explain that with your model. It's not just about some smooth gradient from left to right and capturing the middle. We are in a populist age. The people are totally fed up with the status quo.

It's disruptors that win, not whomever captures the center of a spectrum that only policy wonks even care about. Anyone who's chief concern is left vs right is already a decided voter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Truth. We definitely need to nominate better voters next cycle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Awareness of what? As badly informed as most people are, I'm still certain that most Americans know Trump won.

I'm all for protests, and lord knows we will be needing them, but protests should have some kind of coherent demands. The left wastes a ton of energy spinning it's wheels.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

It's sheer lunacy in today's world, but it also happens to be a feature for the qon/Republican agenda.

Redundant statements are redundant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Best I could do without a definition for the stupid use of "leftist extremists" with no definition. My point is, there is zero evidence to blame this election on leftists of any stripe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Left and right both support these, only with different interpretations.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

That's not what left means, but whatever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

So, what's the takeaway here? Next time we should nominate better voters? Good luck with that. I think we should nominate candidates who can energize the voters we have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Hogwash. The left-right split is way less significant today than the populist-establishment split. Of all the candidates in the 2020 primary, only Bernie, the furthest left, had high approval ratings amongst Republican voters. This isn't the 1990s.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And you assume it's the left because? Not everyone who voted for Biden in 2020 was a leftist, and most weren't.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

You have data to back that up I assume?

Biden had polling in his hands that said Trump would get 400 electoral votes against him on the day he decided to run for a second term. Then he held on just long enough to make certain we would have no primary and be stuck with a candidate who couldn't shake the stink of his presidency.

Harris lost the popular vote by over 4-million votes. There aren't that many "leftist extremists" in the whole damn country, and only a small subset of those wouldn't have voted for Harris.

The vast bulk of those who stayed home were left leaning apolitical normies. Most of the country fits in that group.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Libertarianism started out as a left wing philosophy. Then it got corrupted by Ayn Rand fanatics and right wing think tanks. I categorize myself as a left wing libertarian, and don't agree with the US Libertarian party on pretty much anything.

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