Tinidril

Dude, it was you who claimed I "missed the point" and explained what your point was. Had you not originally buried your point in sarcasm that was indistinguishable from Democratic establishment douchebagery this might have been a very different conversation.

Right wing operatives are trying to drive wedges and your playing right into their strategy. Most of the "undecided" rhetoric comes from or is amplified by right wing bots, as does the worst of the establishment scolding. I'm all for calling out the trolls, as long as your not doing their work by not making it clear who your attacking.

We want the same thing in November, but I don't think your attitude is helping us get there.

I think you nailed it with "leftists". The comment I responded to didn't bother with the quotes.

The whole point of this obvious right wing psy-op is to drive a wedge between liberals and leftists. When liberals don't distinguish between "leftists" and leftists, it plays right into their hands.

These operatives are running a two pronged attack. They aren't just impersonating leftists, they also imitate liberals preaching from their high horses like Hillary Clinton on steroids. Liberals should take care not to do that work for them.

Read your comment that I responded to. There is no indication whatsoever that you aren't among the large contingency that actually thinks these freaks are leftists. When you mimic idiotic Democratic establishment talking points, you will get treated like a Democratic establishment idiot.

Way to fail to make the point.

It's almost like we've seen it before.

That, and they forgot that they were poorer 4 years ago than they were 8 years ago.

I wasn't taking about "memes" I was talking about this meme (and others like it). You are doing to me exactly what you claim I did to you.

I didn't claim you said that your position was that this was Democrats biggest problem, or anything else you claim I said (or implied) that you said. That was a simple supposition to highlight that this is not a strategically intelligent way to address the problem, even if we presume it to be a massive problem.

And you figure that memes like this might change their minds? Assuming this is actually the biggest problem facing Democrats in this election, shaming voters is not the right strategy.

While I agree this is definitely a big issue

Is it though? Your sampling is limited to friends who you say are no longer "this way". If your sample is sufficient evidence that it was a problem, then it's sufficient evidence that it's no longer a problem.

In reality, polls have shown progressives to be the most reliable voters in the country. Beyond that, they are the most involved in volunteering their time for Democratic campaigns.

There is nothing wrong with getting the message out that voting for Democrats is critical to everything the left might hope to achieve. However, framing the debate in a way that blames the left for the failings of liberal centrists is far more likely to push some people in the wrong direction. It's not just unfair and unproductive, it's anti-productive.

There is a reason that when the Democratic establishment doesn't push this message that right wing trolls like OP do it for them.

Keep in mind that most of them (like OP) are right wing agitators trying to drive a wedge.

Right wing morons and shills can't exactly base their arguments on how much better Republicans are, so they come at it sideways with this bullshit.

Well, jokes on them because "the left" isn't made up of complete morons like they have in the MAGA movement. Despite neoliberal whining to the contrary, the left has been consistently the most reliable voting demographic the Democrats have, and that's despite the fact that the establishment shits on us at every opportunity.

Bring back? It never went away. The 13th amendment still explicitly allows slavery of prisoners, and that has been exploited to the fullest.