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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read: "I only subscribe to the economics of the oppressor class. If they refuse to accept a basic mathematical truth that implies bad things about them, so do I!"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

The USSR was literally invaded in its infancy by France Britain and the US. Trust me the USSR was getting fucked with by bourgeois dictatorships since the beginning.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Id argue that the free market incentivizes the capture of politicians but I think we are on the same side here.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

"If you dont own factories you dont benefit from the system, you should not defend it"

"Oh okay, so you have completely isolated yourself from the system then?"

No, that's not the point, the point is to end the exploitation, not escape it, which is always a fanciful idea as you cannot escape the indirect effects of it. Also do you think almost anyone is capable of doing the things you mentioned? You'd have to be really wealthy to do those things.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Here is an illustrative anecdote since we are trading those:

I miss free housing, social justice, positive constrictive ideology, bearable work relations (or would it be more proper to say conditions?).

Age is....far above 30.

I admit, I haven't encountered social justice or ideology in my very early ages, but I had opportunity to feel benefits of free housing (since my family got a nice 3bd-room flat in their possession), and...my parents worked much less than I do, and never worked at home.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/sxdi3q/comment/hxtgsbd/

Here is data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1128057/russia-opinion-on-dissolution-of-the-ussr-by-age/

Note that the people who were adults before its collapse overwhelmingly want it back, and that Russians only supported its continuation back in the 90s referendum at 55ish percent compared to much higher percentages in the non-Russian SSRs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Yes, yes. It is cool and subversive to support capitalism, or at least oppose its alternatives.(aka support capitalism) You're part of the cool club of people who act in the interests of the bourgeoisie and not of your own class. A real independent thinker.

(Not that any of us are independent thinkers, but one of us is defending the powers that be and calling the other a chatbot)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos for starters China went from a century of humiliation to a superpower in less then a century thanks to socialism. The USSR was better than the feudalism before it or the dictatorships of the bourgeoisie that came after it by a wide margin. For a place much poorer than the US, they had similar nutrition, better education, more rights for women both legalistically and practically.

Oh, throw in east Germany too. Do you know what the Stasi did to the lgbt movement that they saw as subversive? Destroy it by ending discrimination against gay and trans people, including a massive education campaign to eradicate homophobia and transphobia and state funded gay bars. Compare that to how the US was treating gay people at the time.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How do you define “capital”? I own a paid-off vehicle. That’s my biggest single asset. Am I therefore evil?

Oh my god, we aren't coming for your toothbrush. The idea that owning anything makes you a capitalist is absurd. We are talking about businesses that alienate workers like yourself from their labor.

Oh, and I’m also a shareholder in my employer. Gasp.

And if you had enough shares to live off of you wouldn't be renting. You're a member of the proletariat, not even the petite bourgeoisie who still have more to gain by overthrowing capitalism.

All this talk is highly dangerous us-vs-them, black-and-white divisive crap that isn’t going to go anywhere productive. Stop it. Grow up.

Maybe instead of being afraid of shadows you should read what socialists actually believe. We believe that the means of production (aka your workplace) should be owned and managed by the workers (you) and not some board who see the business as a paycheck every month (and probably don't understand how it actually functions) overseen by a democratic body to coordinate between businesses. We claim to live in a democracy but nowhere is this more evidently wrong then workplaces, which are almost always run as dictatorships..what little political agency employees exercise has to be won in conflict to the goals of the system.

We oppose land commodification. People, especially children and the elderly, should not be at risk of being evicted from where they live, and if they have income they should just contribute to the collective maintaining and construction of property which is generally 5 percent of income, not 1/3 of a paycheck like it is under capitalism with all the middlemen leeches.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

How is that an attack? The petite bourgeoisie generally have more to gain from joining the proletariat in the class struggle, and almost none of them have caused suffering at a scale that justifies the same attitude had towards the haut bourgeoisie. (Now people who own multiple car dealerships on the other hand)

It is only an attack if you think being a massive leech on society like Musk or Bezos is a good thing.

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