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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Okay have fun with the holocaust trivialization I guess.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (40 children)

Jewish holocaust scholars don't like it when you call the USSR fascist

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There’s no defending the USSR or ML, so I’m not going to bite and engage in an argument designed to downplay the evils of it.

Lol, yes there is, and it is a very simple argument:

  1. A transitional state moving towards communism is less violent than a capitalist state.

  2. All large anarchist attempts at governing were basically the same as the USSR under war socialism(Catalonia, which started much more industrialized, and lost, because of, among other things, anarchist organizational failure) or worse (free state of Ukraine, which led to a wave of pogroms because they refused to suppress reactionary elements))

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You mean living under capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You don't know a lot of the history of bourgeois democracies if you think you can't compare the worst the USSR has done with what bourgeois democracies have done.

Maybe you'd want to do it to stop taking part in holocaust trivialization, but you also insulted the Dovid Katz essay so IDK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Yeah so the thing is you're still doing it, the whole "authoritarian" thing is another way of doing a false equivalence between the two.

If you want to do an anarchist critique compare the USSR to bourgeoise democracies, it is a closer comparison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

A Jewish linguist/historian/activist talking about how equating the Soviets and the Nazis is rhetoric used to justify current and past antisemitism including holocaust collaboration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What track record are you looking at, the one I'm seeing is a much lighter shade of gray than the capitalist track record.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Like the USSR has more in common with the Nazis than any actual implementation of a classless, hierarchical less, stateless system.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Marxist-leninism is literally the base from which most communist theory exists. Most communists are some flavor or branch of ML, because it gets the goods.

You can't be a communist and reject all experiments at communism as "not real communism"

Russia evolved into fascism.

Yeah, after it was couped by US backed traitors and the US enforced fascism.

China is absolutely state capitalist.

Why is their industrial output not falling as they're firmly in the middle income country bracket then?

(If you can't understand the contradiction you haven't read enough theory about imperialism and neo-imperialism)

North Korea 100% a dictatorial nepo-state.

Yeah, and they make all the grandpas push the one train whenever it breaks down. The rats eat the children and the children eat the rats. /s

Have you actually looked at the government structure of the DPRK? You seem to be parroting a lot of state department propaganda for someone speaking with authority on what "real" communism is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sure, if you base your politics in idealism instead of materialism, which isn't a very useful lense for analyzing politics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Especially because the US historically has reacted well to this sort of pressure right?

Capitalism is capital in motion. If you slow the C-M-C cycle you really hurt capitalist countries. It puts enormous pressure on the US and so far has resulted in the vast majority of ships going around the horn instead of through the canal.

The US history of tantrums that we see playing at again doesn't change that.

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