JonEFive

While you make a valid point here, mine was simply that once something is out there, it's nearly impossible to remove. At a certain point, the nature of the internet is that you no longer control the data that you put out there. Not that you no longer own it and not that you shouldn't have a say. Even though you initially consented, you can't guarantee that any site will fulfill a request to delete.

Should authors and artists be fairly compensated for their work? Yes, absolutely. And yes, these AI generators should be built upon properly licensed works. But there's something really tricky about these AI systems. The training data isn't discrete once the model is built. You can't just remove bits and pieces. The data is abstracted. The company would have to (and probably should have to) build a whole new model with only propeely licensed works. And they'd have to rebuild it every time a license agreement changed.

That technological design makes it all the more difficult both in terms of proving that unlicensed data was used and in terms of responding to requests to remove said data. You might be able to get a language model to reveal something solid that indicates where it got it's information, but it isn't simple or easy. And it's even more difficult with visual works.

There's an opportunity for the industry to legitimize here by creating a method to manage data within a model but they won't do it without incentive like millions of dollars in copyright lawsuits.

I think what you're saying is really important to the overall discussion. The initial cost is only one factor when considering cost of ownership.

You might be able to buy an EV for about the same price as a similarly equipped gas-powered car. But instead of oil changes and mechanical upkeep of the engine, now you have a whole new set of systems to maintain and repair. There aren't a ton of repair shops out there yet for EVs. Even though there might be fewer mechanical problems overall with EVs, the cost and difficulty of getting a repair can be much higher.

Then there's the battery issue. A gas car engine will remain mostly the same in terms of mpg and overall power output throughout the life of the vehicle. Sure, there will be deterioration, but it could be much worse with batteries. I'd be somewhat hesitant to buy a used EV because it can be difficult to know what state the batteries are in or how much longer they will last.

Delete that comment you just posted from every Lemmy instance it was federated to.

This whole internet thing was a mistake because it can't be controlled.

Tesla failed at (one thing) is not the same as Tesla failed completely.

Out of curiosity, how much would it cost for you to consider an EV affordable for the everyday person?

The Chevy Bolt has been around for years and can be purchased new for less than $30k. Same with the Nissan Leaf. That's a pretty attainable number for a lot of working adults, and that's assuming you buy brand new. Multiple 2020 Bolts are available near me for around $20k. I'm seeing Bolts that might be another year or two older as low as $15k

I'd argue that price isn't the thing keeping people away from EVs. You can buy a relatively inexpensive EV if you want to.

Of course, the only person who would try to do this is doing an essay about marijuana.

MacBook: "Oh, hey chickenlady... I see your up. Yeah, I couldn't sleep either. Why don't you come over here and spend some time in my soft white glow. We can just surf the web and consume for hours."

No, you're right, you should be. We don't want to normalize this shit, it should continue to shock and offend.

These are the dark sides of modern technology. The kids working cobalt mines. The workers being paid pennies to categorize data so bad that it is traumatic to even read it. I can't imagine how the people who have to look at pictures can do it.

I feel like I could handle some dark text here or there, but if I had to do it for 40-50 hours a week? Hundreds of passages every day. That would warp me pretty quickly.

I'd be selling google stock if I had any

If you did, you probably wouldn't. Unfortunate as it may be, Google is an unfathomably massive business that continues to generate value for their shareholders. Any stock sales by an average individual as a protest are meaningless. Even if you sold a million dollars worth of stock, it wouldn't mean anything to them.

Alphabet's market cap is currently 1.7 trillion dollars. With a T. $1,700,000,000,000.

We can extrapolate from there just how much money would need to move for them to pay even a little attention. For example, $170 million dollars is just 0.01%. Granted a move that large from a single investor might cause a brief drop as others sell as well, but investors are just gonna buy it all up at a discount. They'll call it a market correction and keep on going.

I'm not saying you should just roll over and accept their shit, but money is not the way to do it unless you can move more than a billion dollars.

There's a reason that doesn't appear on their site or in their docs any more. It was a canary clause.

Right - "Do no evil" uhhh... Is that not your default setting?