Well, they're separated by the Panama canal, so by the same token that Africa and Asia aren't the same land mass, neither are the Americas.
Badass_panda
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Like every ceasefire.
Probably the reason Ukraine doesn't want a ceasefire...
Yeah, unironically it does in this instance.
The US negotiated with the Japanese.
The allies negotiated with the Nazis.
You know both these groups surrendered unconditionally, right?
They are, mate. You act like the West is standing behind Ukraine threatening to shoot anyone that retreats. We're sending em guns and money, if they wanted to stop fighting they could make that decision tomorrow.
Russia can, very straightforwardly, retreat to Russia. Boom, peace!
Ah yes, "Glory to Ukraine," seems like a super specific slogan that can only be associated with one movement. In no way is it a generically nationalist slogan.
what a ceasefire would provide
Like the 2014 ceasefire? All it does is give Russia the opportunity to retrench and dig in. When the Ukrainians ask for a ceasefire, then I'll support one.
Russia's monetary system is in collapse and its economy is in free fall... the war took up 45% of its budget last year, its foreign exchange reserves have long since run dry and its first defensive line is slowly crumbling.
If it ends up being a war of endurance, Russia's going to be in a far worse position in a year than they are now.
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I get it, but if you are just trying to make the point that, if a country thinks they'll eventually lose, it's better for everyone if they give up quickly ... then this historical example doesn't seem relevant.
Given that Ukraine already gave up quickly once (in Crimea) and that Russia simply waited until it was convenient to invade them again, I'm sure you can understand why Ukrainians think it's necessary to fight this one out.
Now, the war of the Triple Alliance is often held up as an example of how a minority of belligerents can create massive devastation by continuing a guerilla war after losing the conventional war; if Ukraine seems in danger of losing the conventional war, I'll admit it's a relevant parallel, otherwise it isn't terribly relevant.