Goddam this is dumb as shit.
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Since when does Congress ban websites or dictate what apps people can have on their devices? Regardless of how you feel about this particular company, I feel like no one is talking about the internet-killing precedent that's being set here, and that should be concerning.
It's being used as an infiltration device by the Chinese government. Not that I agree butvits not just a website. Same as Twitter and Facebook bit we have more control over those.
Same as Twitter and Facebook bit we have more control over those.
Only in the sense that the people using them to manipulate us are the same ones making the laws. They're leveraging it for their own ends, not stopping it.
The correct course of action (from the perspective of the American people, in stark contrast to that of the American government/oligarchy) would be to ban TikTok as the threat it is, and also ban Facebook, Twitter and Reddit for the threats they pose as well. The trouble is that it won't, because it is the entity wielding that weapon against the American people and will not voluntarily disarm itself.
I'm not a ban fan but social media like that is psychological cancer that is definitely harming the young and old mentally.
Kids growing up these days have the burden of the disgusting need for social media self-promotion. They are conditioned that attention and Likes are the most valuable social currency, and waste so much of their valuable youth pursuing that hollow bullshit.
I'm keeping my kids off social media for as long as I can so they can experience growing up without Cloud-automated peer pressure.
They said this about TV. And game consoles. And computers. And every social media website. They said this about movies when they first came out too.
Social media is a reality of the world. This ban isn't getting rid of that, just banning one specific platform. Why is Intagram Reels acceptable but Tik Tok isn't? Because ones is owned by a Chinese company and the other isn't. That's all this ban is about. Literally nothing else.
Yeah, I'm almost 100% sure the "tiktok is damaging kid's brains" is the millennial equivalent of boomers "videogames and TV are damaging kid's brains".
I'm a millennia by the way, and we are starting to sound a bit afraid of technologies.
Short form video is genuinely pretty bad though... Most social media is too, it's not just a new medium people are scared of, it deliberately trains people to maximize use of it
Facebook pioneered most of the (unethical) experiments that make it so bad. They experimented with what makes people use the app for longest - controversial topics, quickly decreasing the amount of "desired" content as you scroll to push you to the optimal reinforcement schedule in operant conditioning, and copious amounts of alerts to give you fomo
Video games can be bad for the same reason - they can also be built to cultivate addiction. And social media can be built without it... The difference between Reddit pre-investment (which coincidentally, I think was also related to tencent/bytedance... They have an obscene amount of money invested everywhere) and Reddit now is a good example
It's not just people clutching pearls about the new thing or a rise in mental illness coinciding with the growth of social media - there's a science-backed arms race between engineering more time in app and understanding/treating the effects
(That being said, I agree we millennials are starting to emotionally reject new technology - in this case there's just solid science showing how this is being misused with bad effects)
Check out the new video by "some more news", it's more comedy than anything, by it deals with some reputable sources.
https://youtu.be/5aFQY6-Mxcw?si=IFkuuPCQ6Pmv7YOK
The effect is not clear cut, and there are many other confounding effects that might be more important, and being glued to your phone might be a symptom more than a cause, but I agree that excessive social media and short format videos are bad for you, but that can be said about video games or even regular games.
Like you said, that guy is more comedy than anything. I really can't stand his videos... While I agree with most of the positions I've seen him take, there's a clear bias (maybe in the name of humor... He seems like he's going for a Jon Steward/John Oliver thing, but I just don't find him funny)
Most of all, he seems like he's got researchers pumping out scripts at a furious pace
I don't think that's a great source for this, the guy isn't a science communicator - social issues and current events sure. This is a hot pop science issue turned cultural - you really want to hear from experts on this kind of topic, it's such a muddied issue. They've been writing articles about how "social media is destroying the children" and "social media isn't as bad as it seems" for a decade and a half.
I agree there's a lot of confounding factors. Smart phones exploded along with social media after all, that alone was transformative
But that's if you look at it all together, I'm not claiming that social media is the source of all our problems (I'd argue there's a good case, but one near impossible to prove)
I'm saying social media is bad for you, particularly short form video. And by that, what I mean specifically is that it's highly addictive, incentivices the spread of misinfo, and is a displacement activity (eats up any amount of time) that doesn't improve mood or life satisfaction. And unlike the previous new forms of media, it was designed to be addictive by big data crunching - sensationalism isn't new, but this was too fast and too centralized for the natural push and pull to happen
I can go into each of those aspects deeper, but I don't think anyone is arguing this is a better way to socialize or a net good for mental health
If I have it correct, the law wouldn’t immediately ban TikTok but would require it to actually be sold to a real US company within a certain amount of days otherwise it’d get banned. The CCP obviously doesn’t want that. So if this passes, TikTok isn’t removed immediately.
Probably what happens is the CCP, I mean Bytedance, sells it to a US company then puts their people there to still siphon data.
60% of Bytedance is owned by institutional investors. It's a private company. The CCP doesn't own the company. 3 of the 5 board members are American. Don't spread made up bullshit. If there's any reason not to sell the company to a US company is because only 150 million Americans are tiktok users on an app with over a billion monthly active users globally. Not to mention that the US companies are gonna lowball the shit out of their offers because they think Bytedance is gonna be begging to sell. Also, there's a chance that if the US bans tiktok, then maybe they could get access to China, which tiktok is not currently available in.
Any business that does business in China, especially ones based in China, are under the CCP. Doesn’t matter who the “owners” are and they can have 1000 American board members.
China has private industry AND state owned industry. While everything is monitored by the CCP, they don't control private businesses. They do indeed have capitalism in China. The only difference is that in China, rich people get killed when they fuck people over. Even the US is an insanely corrupt surveillance state.
The law is to force any company that isn't US owned that the US doesn't like to hand over ownership. Regardless of your thoughts on TikTok/ByteDance/China in general, this is not a law one should praise. It's incredibly dangerous and is one more step toward the US becoming a full-fledged fascist state.
What exactly is fascist about it? Being able to ban companies from hostile nations seems like a legitimate tool that frankly is concerning that we didn't have before. Russia and China are using massive propaganda farms and the US has been paying the price of that for too long. We are moving into a hostile multi-polar world and I wouldn't be surprised if the Internet isn't segregated sooner or later if hostilities start
Please help a fellow non-US citizen understand. How can this be a bipartisan agreement and, what’s its difference to the “video games cause violence” bit? I dislike TikTok as well (and I will never use it) but I think banning it nationwide is taking it too far.
The issue is not with the applications psychological effects on children (although i'm sure politicians bring that point up in passing to bolster their argument). The basis for the removal of the application is that it is spyware with rootkit capabilities.
Apparently the number one reason for the bann is that, 80% of users are pro Palestine and they cannot have the youth take political stances that go against their genocide.
Glad to see Dems are taking the threat of Trump getting into power serious by focusing on issues that their base support:
- ~~Stop funding and supplying a genocide~~
- ~~Packing the clearly biased court so things like student loan forgiveness can pass and all these anti trans and other crazy far right laws get shot down~~
- ~~Not breaking rail road workers strikes~~
- Banning one of the most popular social media apps
Nevermind the bill has bipartisan support! Republicans must have ZERO to do with this bill! 🙄
Get serious or get out.
Bringing up that it had bipartisan support is completely irrelevant.
The headlines are going to be “Biden signs bill banning Tick Tok”. When his support of a horrible genocide is already depressing how much non republicans want to vote for him going out and doing this is just adding more reasons.
Maybe you and him need to get actually serious and focus on things people actually care about.
He is only campaigning on “I’m not trump” like literally if you got to his website and click on “Joes Vision” you get taken to a 404 page. There’s nothing talking about where he stands on issues or what he offers.
He is only campaigning on “I’m not trump” like literally if you got to his website and click on “Joes Vision” you get taken to a 404 page
(X) Doubt
maybe go check for yourself, clearly your not serious enough to even do that so no point talking about this more
I was specifically referring to the "Joe's Vision" part. I looked at that website before I replied to you. It isn't there.
