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It will become illegal to be a member of or support the Russian mercenary group.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But, Wagner doesn't exist anymore. The people who paid its members are dead. At best, there's some previous sub-groups still operating. What does this do?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a person from the UK, I'd guess this is probably one of those things where the UK government is too cowardly to do or say anything when it actually matters, but once they're certain there's no chance of any blowback at all they issue some meaningless bill that says "we were against this sort of thing all along" so it looks like they're actually doing something even though they're not.

Or it's one of those things that'll be so vaguely worded that it could apply to just about anything and they'll just use it to harass protestors and/or asylum seekers. Or maybe both!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I mean they're probably doing this to try and distract from the schools fiasco at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

"Well I say Sir Gringlesnap, these dreadful protesters prostesting against my beating them with the jolly old blackjack must be working for Wagner. Throw them into Australia for me, if you would."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely nothing.

Also, the people who ultimately paid Wagner are still alive, because they're the ones who ordered the missile strike that killed the leaders.

The three leaders of Wagner didn't actually have a chain of command that could survive a head of the snake attack, so now the Kremlin is going to absorb the less ideological fighters.

It was incredibly stupid for all three of them to be on the same plane.

The last two months, Russia has been scrambling to talk to all the clients of Wagner, saying that the Russian military will step in to handle whatever job Wagner was doing (Wagner was doing those jobs at the behest of the Russian military anyway). Meanwhile, Prigozhin was running around trying to reassure clients that Wagner was still capable of handling the contracts.

It's ll a mess, and quite funny if you ignore the human suffering that Russia and Wagner have been inflicting on the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are you assuming they agreed to be on the same plane? Nobody is that stupid and naive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

All three were on the plane.

It could have been arrogance, or it could have been budgetary. See, the Kremlin had been messing with Prigozhin's finances. So all the Kremlin had to do from there was set up a meeting in a city away from wherever Wagner was operating, and then insist that all three leaders be there.

They had to show up, and they only had the budget for one plane/security escort. And who would shoot down a plane? (Ignoring MH17)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is like declaring the Pinkertons a terrorist organization. They don't exist anymore.

Wait, what? Pinkertons are still around? And they are attacking magic card reviewers? WTF?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Securitas is Pinkerton. Literally, actually.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Do Blackwater next

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

So they waited until the dude died?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A draft order to be laid in Parliament will allow its assets to be categorised as terrorist property and seized.

The home secretary said Wagner was "violent and destructive... a military tool of Vladimir Putin's Russia".

Wagner had played a key role in Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as well as operating in countries in Africa including Syria, Libya and Mali.

The group's name will now be added alongside other proscribed organisations in the UK such as Hamas and Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

The proscription order will make it a criminal offence to support the group - including by arranging a meeting aimed at furthering the organisation's activities.

Earlier this year, Labour's shadow foreign secretary David Lammy urged the government to proscribe Wagner.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

illegal in the UK, but they mainly operate in Africa... and the UK doesnt have colonies there anymore so... posturing?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's also illegal to join ISIS even though they mainly operated in the Middle East and Africa - where the UK also doesn't have any colonies anymore!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you work against white colonial powers, you're clearly a terrorist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Back to your echo chamber with you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unironically believing that reading white colonial media and discussing with white colonial settlers about how right the white colonial media is about those evil foreigners is somehow juxtaposed against other people being an echo chamber.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Then change.