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I was looking forward to trying Sync today now that it's live, but my enthusiasm was immediately dampened after seeing the "Data Safety" section on the Google Play store.

Liftoff has been great, and want to say thanks for making an awesome app. This will continue to be my daily driver.


Edit: for clarity, because the post got way bigger than I expected.

Sync looks like a fantastic app, and the dev/s should charge whatever they feel is fair for their efforts, even if that's through the usual ads + ad tracking.

My intent was just to post here in /c/Liftoff to thank the Liftoff devs for managing to somehow offer an awesome app without any of that.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I dont get you people. Making those apps is maybe a hobby for some but a job for others. People asked for Synch for Lemmy and the dev WORKED on it and will continue WORKING on it.

Love to see how many of you guys will work for free. And you probably all work for places that NEVER collect any data.

Could I use a free app for Lemmy? Sure, but I want Synch, because I know what Synch has to offer is what I want. I don't need to settle for an "almost" solution. I can use Synch and I gladly paid for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think OP doesn't mind paying for an app, it's the "collect data" that was his issue. If the free version collects data to send you ads, and there is an option to buy and remove the data collection and ads, then that's probably fine with most people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's the way it is being reported. Buy to remove ads and the tracking goes away.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, I've been really disappointed in Lemmy's response to sync. I thought this community was supposed to be technically minded but in every thread on Sync, the top comment is repeating disinformation about tracking and there's tons of people tearing down the developer.

I get not wanting to use an App that has ads, but people are getting downright toxic over an App that no one is forcing them to use lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Where are the disinformation? Show me how I can have the ad-free version on my phone that doesn't have Play Services and I'll be very happy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

The fediverse has a very high percentage of users who are FOSS zealots. These people would rather drink rancid gnu piss from Richard Stallman's sweaty jock strap than deal with commercialized software. After you've been around them long enough (1996 in my case) you learn to tune them out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All I've learned from today's drama is some of you people really love apps. People getting enraged over which apps people are using..

Lemmy really seems to attract even more terminally online people

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean a lot of the people on here seem a bit more on the technical side, so it'd make sense imo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You'd think that, but so many of these users complaining don't understand how ad serving works. They're acting like this is some outrageous conspiracy to gather user data by the dev himself, or are being willfully ignorant about the proof that none of ad tracking SDK even loads when you use either the one time removal or the subscription.

I really thought that most of the early adopter crowd for a federated service like this would be at least mildly technical. But no, that's a stupid assumption in hind sight.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I honestly didn't know this and I'd consider myself pretty technical, just not very familiar with serving ads. This is really cool, how'd u learn this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Often times people on the internet think they are more techy or correct than they are. The other issue is this makes other users feel like the are actually less techy but the truth is an internet search can teach you a lot about how the Internet works.

My issue with the Lemmy community is that they think FOSS some how makes things more private and secure when that is indeed not at all how privacy or security works and there is enough evidence to suggest you are not secure no matter if it's FOSS or not FOSS.

There is also a mentality that paying for something makes it harmful or bad.

My argument for this is, "you will bother to pirate a game like Zelda for free because you love Zelda so much but then complain about Nintendo being bad because it walls things off. Zelda however would not exist without Nintendo and paying for Zelda would pay the devs to continue making Zelda even if it also means giving Nintendo money. So your logic is play a game you love but don't contribute to that game because you hate Nintendo?"

The same can be said about the sync drama. You want FOSS but can openly admit Sync looks nice and operates nice but you won't pay a price for something that seems better. Well the good thing is you don't have to. Sync isn't a problem because people want to pay money for an app that works. You are the problem however if you want to dictate how people use browse the web with an app of their choice.

FOSS is great. Lemmy wouldn't be here without FOSS but Lemmy's users decreased because Reddit's downfall and the community of users that came have talked about how poor some of the FOSS Lemmy apps are. However, they love Sync and sync also brought more people to Lemmy. People who are willing to pay. People who are making your platform more well known. An app like Sync is also offering a smooth experience and introduction to Lemmy and people will pay for things that work nicely.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I think your comment brings up a good point about the intersection between what the old user base of Lemmy wants (everything is foss and transparent) and the newer user base that doesn't necessarily not want that, but it isn't as much of a priority to them as it was. And with the change in the user base you see a change in opinion towards deprioiritizing what the old user base wanted.

Dynamics like this are always so interesting, huh.