Asklemmy
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- [email protected]: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~
Why do you hate them less than the CPC?
- List of Atrocities committed by US authorities
- A Detailed Chronological List of US Interventions, Invasions, Destabilzations, and Assistance to Oppressive Regimes (ending in 2002)
- Shock therapy (economics)
- The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
- Are We The Baddies?
- Michael Parenti: Africa is Rich
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Michael Parenti: Africa is Rich
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Are you implicitly admitting their critiques are 100% correct? Because I read your entire comment with a "you are correct, but..."
BTW this denialism could work for any oppressive regime. Swap "CPC" (the politically correct way to say it) with "Nazi" or their politically correct preferred acronym, "NSDAP".
Personally, I don't think fascists get to decide what we call them. It's the CCP and the Nazis to me. Always will be.
Are you implicitly admitting their critiques are 100% correct?
I am not.
They are actively genociding people and don't believe in freedom.
They are doing no such thing. I’ve already covered these in my other comments in this post.
Not really interested in seeing another wall of links to further links. Authoritarianism is bad.
You say you don’t like authoritarianism and that China is authoritarian, but you haven’t defined what authoritarianism is or why you don’t like it or why China is it. You prefer the US’s dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (which research shows to be an oligarchy and hardly democratic at all) over China’s dictatorship of the proletariat, which practices democratic centralism.
Domenico Losurdo, 2004: Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism
Are you opposed to authoritarianism?
Asking so I can understand whether the Nazis would get a pass under your beliefs.
I don't like it when anybody, including Nazis, try to whitewash their actual agenda by putting dishonest labels on top of what they really do.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Genocide denial
We do in fact deny genocides that are made up bullshit, yes. Copypasta time.
The US’s “Uyghur genocide” (“cultural” or otherwise) disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- Uyghur genocide allegations
- US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- The blueprint of regime change operations
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
I don’t know what those are, but do you mean this video? [REUPLOAD READ DESCRIPTION] American DEBUNKS All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
[REUPLOAD READ DESCRIPTION] American DEBUNKS All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
whereas China committed none
That is... a very bold statement there.
China doesn't plunder, invade, or bomb like America does. China prefers to build and cooperate with other countries. Win-Win relationships are China's thing instead of zero-sum games like America.
The relationship they had with the country I grew up in was not like that, it was more like pay off corrupt politicians, so China can economically exploit it. Same with Russia. What you're saying is just the Chinese party line, the equivalent of the "US only ever brings democracy" BS. They are both BS, of course, they both serve their own interests.
The relationship they had with the country I grew up in was not like that, it was more like pay off corrupt politicians, so China can economically exploit it.
[Citation needed]
There is a difference between an imperialist state like the US and an anti-imperialist — and until recently imperialized — state like China.
The US has over 750 overseas military bases around the world, and is building more to further encircle China. Meanwhile China has one anti-piracy base in Djibouti.
I'm not talking about philosophically, I'm talking about China paying off my country's politicians to build massive infrastructure projects benefiting only China, from money lent from China, by companies from China. Or the same deal happening with overpriced rail cars bought from Russia, that are not performing even comparably better than the French ones we could have bought for much, much cheaper.
My country mostly faces no US pressure except when it's blocking NATO or EU proceedings, to the chagrin of all the other member states. Even then, the government could do what it wanted, no matter how stupid. Worst thing they did was pay less of the free money that they were paying to help us grow in the first place.
It’s bold of the US to fund & organize terrorist attacks in Xinjiang and then fabricate a genocide narrative around it https://lemmy.ml/comment/10145782
A disadvantage that China has over the USA is a larger list of things not to talk about and greater consequences from the government if the AI does this.
If anyone doing an arms race wins at AGI literally everyone gets mulched, so I hope nobody who is, does.
How does the artificial intelligence race work? I know certain aspects but feel like I don't know it all.