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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ‘uncommitted’ in Michigan’s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.

“It’s important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote that’s not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,” she said on Sunday during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union. “A second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.”

Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Biden’s 2024 campaign, also said she wasn’t sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.

Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote “uncommitted” in Michigan’s 27 February primary.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It is a goddamn primary election and there isn't oppostion to Biden. Anyone voting uncommitted in the primary is having no actual effect on the general election as Biden will be the nominee no matter what the voters express.

Telling the voters they doth protest too much is electorally a shit strategy.

And shit electoral strategies on behalf of the Democratic Party is how we got Trump once and now likely twice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Alternate title: Michigan governor explains first past the post voting. People unhappy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a primary. Voting for Biden won't make it less likely that Trump will be elected.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So they're not even the official candidates yet? Just how long is your election cycle?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

4 years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When every side supports Israel, isn't it basically a non issue? I know you guys love to police the world, but maybe choose your politicians based on national, not global affairs

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"that's right little Timmy, back in my day we voted for genocide and when we didn't we were told it was the only ethical choice, because everyone was doing it."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As relevant here as it was there

No one's fucking voting for genocide; not even Biden (whose actions on Gaza are not acceptable) is voting for genocide; say what you want, but he's not telling them to go into Gaza. And the 2024 election is about whether you want America to still be a democracy. A fascist USA helps no one.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No one’s fucking voting for genocide

Oh good. I was worried our political leadership was killing people.

And the 2024 election is about whether you want America to still be a democracy.

What kind of democracy only gives you one option on the ballot?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol this tribalism is ridiculous. Biden had one job, to be different than the genocide guy. I don't care about the complexity of the issue here, but when our choices are both establishment warmongers it's not really a choice is it? Is it really that big of a ask not to fund the eradication of a group of people and a nationalist government? That should be the bare minimum for a "leftist" candidate IMHO and it's depressing how the goalpost landed here of all places

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And yet again, a concern troll boiling down both candidates to “genocide guy”.

I can’t see these kinds of comments as anything other than “both sides are the same” in an attempt to get people to not vote.

Let me ask a simple question: Will you vote for Biden in the next election, or do you choose to support Trump through not voting, or worse voting for him?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Both candidates are establismentarian ASF and represent the oligarchs FAR more than any everyday American. I am not a "concern troll" I'm a leftist with concerns and I'll be voting third party, (most likely green) as a matter of principle. I've done this my entire adult life- you aren't changing my mind in a million years. I legitimately think he's too old, too right-wing, and too corrupt. Dude should just be running as a Republican tbqh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe vote uncommitted in primary for pressure since that has literally no effect on the main election?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

I was told that if I didn't support Biden sending tanks into Gaza, that I was a tankie.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Trying to get a progressive agenda by only thinking about the Presidency is like trying to win a game with only hail Marys. We need to focus on smaller races in house and build up from there. It would be a stronger and longer lasting change. Even if you're in an area that doesn't have any competitive progressives running in the primary, you are allowed to volunteer to help progressive candidates in areas that do.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We need to focus on smaller races in house and build up from there.

I heard this back in 2008. But the next eight years was nothing but losses, in large part because the national party kept kneecapping grass roots organizations.

From ACORN to Code Pink, left activists were targeted and dismantled from within the liberal party.

By the time Trump won in 2016, Dems had castrated themselves across the entire Midwest and were losing in record numbers.

How do you organize under that kind of leadership?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Florida just recently had a governor race where there was a great new candidate but then the DNC refused to back her and chose a former Republican instead to back... And which point why would anyone pick the former Republican governor when you can just have the current Republican governor and the Democrats lost by a landslide again.

They don't want to win they just want to give rich donors a job or a yes man.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

And which point why would anyone pick the former Republican governor when you can just have the current Republican governor

I mean, gun to my head, if my choices are DeSantis or Crist... But that's not great for enthusiasm.

They don’t want to win they just want to give rich donors a job or a yes man.

The dirty truth about the modern Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How is Tlaib going to explain to her constituents that supporting Trump - who pushed the Muslim ban and called them shithole countries - by proxy will help them?

Biden may not have the best foreign policy but it really is a fascist wannabe dictator who will absolutely support Bibi regardless or we can choose Biden who isn't a fascist who at least has shown some pushback.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How is voting and organizing against genocide support for Trump?

What should her constituents do to oppose a man who is arming the folks massacring their families?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's the truth in very stark terms.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not even remotely. The actual headline:

Hesse governor says not voting for Hitler over concentration camps ‘supports second Hindenberg term’

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

You fucking dumb fuck

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So, according to both Reddit and Lemmy, we need to be a ONE political party system, where we vote on ONE type of President every election... that's called communism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Who's saying that? How are single party states a left wing thing? For every communist totalitarian there have been many right wing totalitarians, not to mention royalty. Right wing media is lying to you. Question this shit.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

This entire sub is saying not to vote for Trump because "democracy will end!" Which we all know is bullshit. Democracy will go on. It's a scare tactic from the Left. Everyone around here is basically saying that we should only support a Democrat President. That's supporting one party, one person. Americans are very diverse, we need different candidates with different perspectives.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Fuck genocide Joe, I hope he burns in hell the senile old bastard