Palestinians have been pushed into a corner and are surrounded. What the hell would you do in their shoes?
You can’t peacefully pull yourself out of oppression, because oppression is inherently violent.
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
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Maybe start by not murdering babies or people at a festival?
I imagine it’s hard NOT to be violent when your food and water are controlled by people who believe you to be sub-human animals.
Also, Israel has dropped many bombs on many Palestinians, including children.
״hard not to be violent”? This was a premeditated massacre committed by trained and armed militants. It wasn’t a riot or an angry mob.
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Isreal actively kills children and celebrates it. Go read about the Great March of Return. So many kids killed by the IDF. That's a lot more than "collateral damage"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-t-shirts-joke-about-killing-arabs/
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2021/palestine-know-their-names/index.html
Also a reminder that children make up 47% of Gaza, and Isreal happily continues to bomb them, and cut off electricity and running water as collective punishment.
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Does Isreal do investigations into the mountains of children they kill? Or do they just say they're "investigating" when something like this is clearly bad optics for them.
Isreal also undermines moderate Palestinian opposition in favour of Hamas, because they make good propaganda for them to justify their ethnic cleansing.
Even taking your cynical view, is it not telling that Israel at leasts cares about the optics?
Masquerading as a democracy for western support does not mean they kill children more ethically than Hamas.
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I'm not siding with Hamas here. I'm pointing out an overlooked part of all this. Isreal keeps 2 million people, half of them children, in an open-air prison, bombs them constantly, murders their kids for minor transgressions and then (shocked Pikachu face) an extremist element breeds there. They then use that extremist element as propaganda for further bombings and land theft.
This is not a time to say "both sides bad" and move on. There is a cycle of violence here between two sides, but only one side here has the power to end that violence and it sure as hell isn't the side being subjected to an Apartheid state.
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Yeah bro let's just flatten Gaza....again. And then nuke Tel Aviv. Justice.
Did you read anything I wrote lol? The Palestinians have already been being punished for decades, yet the violence continues.
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If you want to sit on the fence and feel morally superior while atrocities continue to happen, that's your prerogative.
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NEITHER is the victim
You clearly have no education on this subject. Go read about some of what the Isrealis have put the Palestinians though, and the massive power imbalance between them. I outlined some of that above, but you are being willfully ignorant.
So you HAVE chosen a side. And remember, again…. You’re debating who kills more children, and have chosen a side in this argument.
Normal people with a properly aligned moral compass would agree they’re BOTH horrendous animals.
I’m not arguing this with you any more.
The part you're not understanding here is the obvious fact that Hamas commits horrendous acts, but that is a natural consequence to being subjected to an Apartheid regime. Isreal has the power to end that cycle of violence and chooses not to, the pressure need to be put on them. Just going "jeez both these suck" and moving on accomplishes nothing.
Have a nice day.
I’m not siding with Hamas here
~ You, while entirely ignoring their crimes against humanity.
If that's your takeaway, you're either completely lacking in reading comprehension or purposely misrepresenting my argument.
I read what you wrote. If you wanted me to think differently, you should have wrote differently.
You read it but you processed nothing. Nowhere did I say that Hamas are the good guys or that their actions are excusable.
I do not know how I can dumb this down further for you.
No, you just speak out only against their enemies- in a conversation that’s about how BOTH of them are equally to blame. And equally wrong…. While claiming to be impartial.
Talk about dumbing down- you can’t even see your own hypocrisy.
I wrote a whole paragraph up there addressing this. You treat this as if these are two equal sides, like a chess match. This is not the case. Subjugating millions of people will breed extremism. Explaining the root causes of extremism is not the same thing as condoning extremism. To end it, they need to begin by ending the subjugation or this cycle will continue.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand, and I don't know how many times I need to repeat that concept.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Government ministers, newspaper columnists, ordinary people - they're all asking why the BBC doesn't say the Hamas gunmen who carried out appalling atrocities in southern Israel are terrorists.
We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business.
As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.
There was huge pressure from the government of Margaret Thatcher on the BBC, and on individual reporters like me about this - especially after the Brighton bombing, where she just escaped death and so many other innocent people were killed and injured.
That's why people in Britain and right round the world, in huge numbers, watch, read and listen to what we say, every single day.
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