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[–] [email protected] 275 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 128 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Does anyone know if he has any pre-existing conditions?

(This is a joke)

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago

He was perfectly healthy, truly had lungs of iron

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Ain't that a bitch. One virus took his body. Another took his life.

Both are preventable through safe, effective, and widely available vaccines. Vaccinate yourselves and your children, friends.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Currently COVID-19 is not preventable through vaccination on its own, especially not at the currently recommended once-per-year schedule, because they don’t last anywhere near that long.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

It is not preventable to get down with it, but the vaccines reduce its effects so much that even people with chronic breathing illnesses or organ transplants can handle it like a moderate flu. Mileage will vary from person to person, of course.

Your direct point stands, but it is still a huge win for pro-vaccination.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

But the vaccine reduce the risk! That's the most important part

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Those are good but you also need to mask to prevent the spread of covid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The COVID vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting COVID. It just mitigates the symptoms. You can still get it and spread it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Worth noting that being vaccinated makes it harder to spread

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

If anybody wonders how, it's because vaccination means the immune system reduces viral load, so you spread much less virus and thus others exposed have a better chance of avoiding infection.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

In other words, it does exactly the same as any other vaccine...

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel like this guy alone undercuts the whole meritocracy narrative quite a bit. I know the defenders of that worldview would go "okay, but except for all the exceptions...", but in a lot of ways it's just a more extreme version of the stuff that puts people in normal poverty.

Also, vaccinate your damn kids, everyone.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Send this story to every anti vaxxer and ask if this is what they want their kids to suffer this.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I have a wall right here if I need to bang my head against something. I don't know, maybe somebody else reading has the gift of convincing irrational people of things, but I do not.

I brought it up partly just to vent, and partly for any fence sitters that might be lurking and hadn't made the connection.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have you ever tried screaming at clouds, much safer and sometimes the clouds will flip you off in return.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What if it's completely clear?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Well you're fucked then I guess.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I probably didn't make it obvious, but I was talking in the general sense of "everyone should do this". My bad...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Ah, okay. I'm still not sure if that would accomplish anything, though. They need deprogramming or something, not more yelling at.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They’ve already decided they don’t care for the suffering of other people’s children, the step to not caring about their own isn’t a far one.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

undercuts the whole meritocracy narrative

How do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A classic case of success against all the odds, to manage to become a lawyer at all is a challenge let alone when you live in an iron lung. It's an argument for people saying that no matter who you are in society you can succeed and that (therefore) society isn't racist/classiest etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Oooh, I see. Thanks.

I was missing this part:

and that (therefore) society isn't racist/classiest etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yup. Through no fault of his own, the dude spent his entire life lying motionless. Where's the merit in that story?

It's not really helpful on it's own in a debate, because you'll 100% get "okay, but normal people" back, and it takes way too long to unravel how there's not actually a hard distinction between various degrees of disadvantage. You're better off with a mini Gish gallop, since there's no shortage of examples, and your opponent will be too embarrassed to say the African children were lazy directly.

You could also use actual hard numbers if your talking to an audience savvy enough and with enough attention span to get that. That's a rare audience, though.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Mr Alexander was a far stronger man than I could ever be. 70 years in an iron lung? I would be begging for release within a year or two max.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm guessing it's a bit easier if you start as a kid. It's just what life is like to some degree. Still, can you imagine how much FOMO you would have, literally confined to a barrel? Puberty must have been extra weird for him.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Puberty must have been extra weird for him.

He was paralyzed from the neck down. Puberty was probably mostly a squeaky voice and inconvenient growth spurt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean, to be direct about it, desire comes from the brain. The poor dude just didn't have a body to then be horny with. Also, genitals operate on a slightly different circuit, so they often can remain functional even if voluntary things have been knocked out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Agreed on it probably being easier if it's something you're used to and not actively in pain.

Not everyone gets a lot of FOMO, so I could imagine that might also not be much, though.

I mean, maybe you just mean frustration/sadness that he can't do as much as other people, or to do specific things he wants to do. And I could imagine that could be just incredibly tough. Like all sorts of people with severe, debilitating conditions. But FOMO is kinda a different (more childish) thing than that.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

He apparently did regain the ability to breathe a little bit and would leave the iron lung for short periods of time

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if you find out that normal humans could breathe underwater, and there 100 billion people living underwater. Us 8 billion people unable to live underwater are the "iron lung kids".

The all say "imagine not being able to 'fly' underwater, or not riding a gigantic squid - I would kill myself to end my misery!"

What would you respond to that? I'd be like "eh, must be nice, but I've lived above water all my life. It makes no difference to me."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

IDK. I reckon the 1:8B is a bit worse

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The disease left him unable to breathe independently, leading doctors to place him in the metal cylinder, where he would spend the rest of his life.

"Paul Alexander, 'The Man in the Iron Lung', passed away yesterday," a post on a fundraising website said.

His brother, Phillip Alexander, remembered him as a "welcoming, warm person", with a "big smile" that instantly put people at ease.

Phillip said he admired how self-sufficient his brother was, even as he dealt with an illness that stopped him performing daily tasks such as feeding himself.

Paul's health deteriorated in recent weeks and the brothers spent his final days together, sharing pints of ice cream.

After years, Alexander eventually learned to breathe by himself so that he was able to leave the lung for short periods of time.


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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The worst part is that if you're stuck in that situation and want to get out of it via suicide, you literally can't. Now he's finally free.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

He was able to leave the contraption for short periods of time. He was able to breathe on his own, but not well and would become fatigued quickly. He wasn't as stuck as it seems.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Didn't he choose this? There are modern replacements for the iron lung, when he was still able enough to get out of it he could've switched I think.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

This guy could have gone trach/vent 60 years ago and been mobile on wheelchair.

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