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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s insane how literally everything I have read the IDF has said or claimed is eventually proven wrong.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

"wrong" is not how you spell "a lie". Wrong is accidental. This is deliberate and calculated.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

and with the media as an accomplice

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Wrong is just "not right". A lie is a knowingly wrongful statement. So it is " wrong" but most definitely also a "lie"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

No, wrong is simply neutral and can mean both.

Which doesn't mean you aren't right on principle: we should be more precise and call it the lie it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The rejection of the Times reporting in the kibbutz by Be’eri spokesperson Michal Paikin further undermines the credibility of the paper’s controversial December article “‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7.”

I’m saying ‘just,’ but they were shot and were not subjected to sexual abuse.” Paikin also disputed the graphic and highly detailed claims of the Israeli special forces paramedic who served as the source for the allegation, which was published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other media outlets.

Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief of Semafor and the former media columnist for the New York Times, reported Sunday that Sella recommended his uncle’s partner, Schwartz, to the Jerusalem bureau chief, and she was brought on board for the investigation.

A recent interview in the Israeli media with the Sharabi sisters’ grandparents offers details that directly contradict the Times reporting that the girls at Kibbutz Be’eri were sexually assaulted on October 7.

The family also gave several interviews to international news outlets before “Screams Without Words” was published that provided information that undercuts the assertions in the Times article, raising questions about why the paper did not include these publicly available details.

On February 29, Israel’s Channel 12 broadcast a feature story on the grandparents, who traveled from Britain to the kibbutz to view the home where their loved ones died and to meet with neighbors, family members, and officials.


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