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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Well how about this tankies:

Putin can have a peace deal when his army packs up and returns to ruZZia and lets the adults in Switzerland decide what peace is gonna be without including one of the belligerents in the conflict they're resolving.

smuglord

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Terms seem rather agreeable and a far sight better than any peace deal that would be signed today.

Why the fuck did they not sign this? It properly codifies security guarantees from the UNSC, only properly relinquishes Crimea, leaves the LNR/DNR up to diplomacy, and makes Russian an official language along with Ukraine (which captures the fact that some 34% of Ukrainians speak Russian).

Hundreds of thousands dead and wounded, millions fled from the country, Crimea still lost, Bakhmut lost, Avdiivka lost, and for what? To "prevent another war" despite more comprehensive security guarantees from the UNSC? To "bleed the Russians dry" despite being outproduced by the sheer industrial output of Soviet-era machinery in Russia? To "stand up for sovereignty" despite clearer and clearer signs of covert US intervention during and following Euromaidan?

What a fucking mess.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

Why the fuck did they not sign this?

Boris Johnson (aka NATO) told them to die to the last Ukrainian instead. Literally "the west [wasn't] ready for the war to end".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The terms seem agreeable?

The terms that restrict the size of the Ukrainian military, bar Ukraine from receiving foreign assistance to rebuild its military, forbid it from seeking security guarantees from any country or bloc, ... The terms that would have made it trivial for Russia to further invade at any point in the future?

Those terms seem agreeable?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Because any state is an apparatus of violence? Regardless whether it is Ukraine or Russia?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I treaty from Russia isn't worth the paper it's printed on

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

UNSC security guarantees are, though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Said by someone who's country has been at war for 94% of its history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And one which has never once in the history of man ever respected a treaty

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