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Hello. So last week I went to a school reunion for the 20th anniversary of my hometown school. I'm not the kind of person who enjoy this kind of social events, but for this time I made an exception. My old friend from that time asked me to go and I thought I would be funny (spoiler alert: it wasn't funny). After the event and speeches, all my classmates and I went to a restaurant. I sat in front of a girl that I had a bit of a crush on when I was a kid. During the dinner I was mostly in silence, they were talking about gossips, old memories, relationships, comparisons... At some point she talked about a boyfriend she had. She said that she cheated on him like 10 or 20 times, she didn't know the exact number. The thing is... She was laughing about it, and so the others. "I told him I cheated on him, I don't know how many times.." She said, like nothing happened. My ex girlfriend told me that she also cheated on his fiancée some time before the wedding. She always said that infidelities are always there, like it is normal... But is it? I've been thinking about it for some time now, because I know some other cases. But I don't understand... There is no sense of morality ot loyalty or empathy?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

You have to consider a few things here. You're not the only one with social anxiety at that event. Your reaction is not to go in the first place (my MO as well) or to sit quietly hoping it shall pass with haste. Others talk too much. School reunions are such a rich vein for neurosis because you're guaranteed to be judged by your peers. Peers who knew you very well when you weren't a more well put together person yet. Few people behave like themselves there. So if the woman says she cheated a million times lol, her neurons may be on the fritz as well because she's more thinking about how she dunked Sharon's head in the toilet in freshman year or whatever. And that memory is haunting. And she's sitting just over there! WHY HASN'T SHE SAID ANYTHING? ... So you need to have a salt shaker handy for anything you hear.

Also, some people like attention and will say anything to get it. People like to construct a public persona around their worst character traits, the ones they're unable to change. It's like they're putting a cool leather jacket on, aviator shades too. To distract themselves from their inner monolog, which very well might be telling them what a piece of shit they are.

And cheating is common. In my social group I know of a handful of cases. Drunk and horny, sober and crushing - the motivations are on a scale. In some relationships these secrets never get revealed, in others they've made the bond stronger, others have broken up. I would say very few people brag about it but hey, we contain multitudes. Some people end up in an unhealthy game of hurt oneup(wo)manship. Relationships are hard fucking work.

It is also a different picture when you have children with your partner. The willingness to forgive infractions increases for the good of the children.

And while centuries of indoctrination of monogamy and loyalty to your spouse can make this hard to accept: some people make open relationships work. I think it's more often than not the last stepping stone to disaster but if you can make it work, vaya con dios. I have a hard time with it but I'm trying not to judge.

None of this needs to change how you feel about cheating though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

I think the quote was "that's what high school was, cheating and bad lunches". Or something like that anyway. I never cheated. I don't think I ever got cheated on either. I think in junior and high school a lot of people are figuring themselves out and make a lot of mistakes. But I think if someone is bragging about it as an adult, that's just shitty.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think infidelity varies, but one thing doesn't: people who cheat and have zero remorse are not trustworthy.

You may have had a crush, but it sounds like you got lucky by missing out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I guess there is some cultural nuance - my impression is that for some people, sexual exclusivity is understood as an impossible virtue which it is important to appear to uphold, but where breaking it is kind of like sneaking a cigarette after having quit.

Which doesn't make them untrustworthy necessarily, they just have a different understanding of how big of a deal it is.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I don't think I know anyone who's cheated. But I also hang out with a lot of polyamorous people, where cheating is possible but I feel like is less common.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

The thought has never crossed my mind, and it would have never crossed the minds of anyone I know. I have no urge to cheat and neither does my partner. I have generally thought that it's a very unusual and uncommon phenomenon for someone to cheat, and I find it surprising how many people here think otherwise

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what kind of infidelity happens in high school, but I suspect if someone cheated on me by kissing someone else while we were in high school, I wouldn't be upset, mostly because the nature of relationships in high school I don't think of as long lasting. I've never cheated nor been cheated on though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I agree. In high school is different. We all fall in love with a different person every day. But I think she was talking about her mid twenties.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Some people are just shittier than others. What they look like on the outside has no bearing on their inner beauty.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Incredibly common. I haven't seen any recent estimates but I recall at one time that ~15% of children did not have the biological fathers than they thought they did. It's not to point the finger at women - rates of infidelity may be even higher among men, it's just harder to track independently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s not to point the finger at women

Just point it at humans unless you're talking about cheaters who step out to swing for the other team.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I’ve been on both sides of it. While not super regular, I’d say it’s not uncommon. Discussing it openly isn’t.

My buddy went to Amsterdam and had the restraint to only get handjobs and has never otherwise gone behind his wife’s back. I’d be surprised if any of my other friends did anything. One couple has guests over for mutual threesomes, so no need for infidelity for them. I know my ex hooked up with another female despite knowing she had a bf. People are ok with lowering their standards when an opportunity presents itself.

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