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    [–] [email protected] 317 points 9 months ago (30 children)

    LTT is hidden advertising, and there is no money for that in Linux.

    [–] [email protected] 146 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Most of the "tech" youtube world is based around presenting mostly useless consumer products as it was technological advancement.

    Most of their SAAS advertisers could be replaced by a "docker compose up", hardware ones, most of the time are just regular tools with one or two gimmick.

    The way to get money advertising on linux is by misleading business people into getting useless enterprise services.

    [–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Entreprise services are there so client companies have someone to blame contractually if there's an issue instead of themselves, that's very valuable.

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    [–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    You are off your rocker if you think most saas products can be replaced by docker 🤣

    There is a big gap between you running jellyfin in your basement and securely and reliably maintaining services.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    SAAS is a scam developed by venture capital to make their otherwise nominally profitable tech gambits able to bilk clients of cash on a scale not even Barnum could fathom.

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    [–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

    Hidden? What else is there to get from a tech illiterate channel?

    Even his build guides are awful

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Wouldn't advertising laptops that have Linux pre-installed work for that? Also niche hardware like the Raspberry Pi 5 for example

    [–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    Not ENOUGH money would be a more appropriate answer.

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    [–] [email protected] 97 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    Even though I don't really dabble in Linux anymore. I lost all my respect for him. No, not due to this post, but the GN/Billet Labs situation, and especially the Madison situation.

    [–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

    I will never watch another one of his videos, there are other options.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

    Can't forget him being anti union as well, I also stopped watching all his content from that point onwards.

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    [–] [email protected] 75 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Fuck Linus and his shitty company. Greedy cunt.

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    [–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    What was the context for this? Was he just explaining why he wasn't going to talk about how to install Linux during a video or something?

    [–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    He made a video of how to build a pc and how to install the os. And basically if you choose Linux as a os you already know how to install it.

    [–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I guess it makes sense. There's probably better tutorial videos out there for it

    [–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    I learnt how to install Linux from some random indian YouTube video with a terrible mic and a handful of views, but explained it perfectly to my dumbass. I tried a few bigger ones and got lost or screwed up.

    Best tech tutorials are ones that use screen capture and notepad to exaplain what's going on.

    [–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    With the one and only music title:

    Trance - 009 Sound System Dreamscape

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    [–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    What is there to know exactly? You just follow the installer and pick languages and whatnot. It's no different than installing Windows except that it's faster.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

    I think the main point they would present in a video is how to even get to the "follow the installer" stage. Where to download windows and how to make a bootable USB stick.

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    [–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    We also know how to install Windows. Make him install openBSD

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    [–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

    I think revisiting Linux would be great idea, but the current state isn’t that far off from what he experienced few years ago. Wayland protocols aren’t fully there yet, NVIDIA still needs some work, portals, desktops, 3rd party software and hardware support, package formats bullshit… There’s shit load of pending changes still being discussed, progress is being made, and even then, adoption of new solutions will take a while. It only make sense to revisit when there’s huge technological leap. Realistically with how slow things are going sometimes, it may be the end of the decade or close before the landscape looks really different.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    When he first started he used Pop!_OS and an issue with their packages uninstalled the DE when he tried to install steam which was a really terrible look. A bug which I believe wasn't present in any other debian/ubuntu based distro. He then moved to Manjaro, an Arch-based distro, and just had more problems with hardware.

    I wish they'd try again and just use a user-friendly distro with more momentum behind it and stability, and realistically that means Ubuntu or Mint. Or take a tour through desktop environments, package managers, and what the differences between distros actually are.

    [–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If I recall the "Linus killed Pop!_OS in minutes just trying to install Steam" fiasco, the forensics shook out something like this:

    1. Pop!_OS's onboarding experience doesn't (or didn't at the time) walk users through a software update. At least at the time, I haven't used Pop!_OS recently so this may have changed, but the way you would use their GUI to run the equivalent of an apt-get update was to open the Pop!_Shop to the Installed tab and...wait. So the apt cache (the local copy of the catalog of packages available in the repository) is whatever it was when the install media was created.

    2. It just so happened that the exact version of the steam.deb package that apt cache pointed to had an error in its dependencies--it claimed that it was incompatible with Pop!_OS' desktop environment, and thus to install Steam, it would have to remove the GUI and all its dependencies right on down to Xorg. This issue was discovered and a patched version was pushed to the repository, but because of the way repositories work, you can still request an older version of software.

    3. Linus picked Steam and clicked the install button in the Pop!_Shop. It attempted the install, saw the dependency error, and bombed out, kicking up an error message "Failed to install Steam" with a bit more text.

    4. Linus Sebastian, then CEO of a technology media company, comprehensively failed to google the words in the error it gave him and find several independent forum posts, Reddit threads, and Steam community discussions saying "Run apt-get update and try it again." Instead, he got up on his high horse about Linux GUI's not working, started fussing about how you have to do everything in the terminal, and he instead looked up how to use the terminal to install Steam.

    5. I don't think he recorded his screen thoroughly enough to be sure, but either the page he found was strange or he skimmed a bit too quickly. Almost all of the time, web pages containing instructions for how to install software in a Debian-based Linux system (with the apt package manager) will instruct you to run the command sudo apt-get update and probably sudo apt-get upgrade first, then probably a sudo apt-get install [packagename] None of that happened, he just found the install command and ran it.

    6. The terminal spat out it's usual litany of "doing stuff..." before spitting out a long list of things it was going to uninstall, followed by a warning in bold allcaps to the effect "WARNING! This operation is likely to permanently damage your operating system. You should not do this unless you know exactly what you are doing. To continue, type "Yes, do as I say." Most of the time, a Linux system requires a y or n, and might even default to y if you just hit enter. Sometimes, in order to wake people up and kind of ask "are you sure?" it will reject a simple y and tell you to type out the word yes. Asking you to type out a complete sentence is a severe warning.

    7. Linus typed "Yes, do as I say."

    8. APT uninstalled the entire GUI and dropped into a Bash shell.

    In aviation, we talk about the accident chain. Few aviation accidents can be traced to a single brief action; instead a series of adverse events and mistakes lead up to an accident, and correcting any of them will avert disaster. Well, I count this accident chain as 8 links long. Contributing factors range from Linus's bad attitudes and poor troubleshooting skills to the Steam package's flawed dependencies to Pop!_OS' flawed package manager which doesn't refresh the apt cache on launch. The result was a crash and burn on international television.

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    [–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    People hating on linus but I'd say he's honestly done videos to help linux be in the light. Like it or not linux still has its pain points. More importantly if you want linux to have wide adoption then you'll need for manufacturers to ship them on devices and have them in store.

    [–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    I hate on Linus not because he doesn't like linux, but because he is a bad boss who overworks his employees and has allegations against him.

    [–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    He actually became what he hated... at least that's what he used as an excuse for quitting his day job.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Don't you know? He didn't sell his soul, he auctioned it!

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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    He actually doesn't know how to install Linux. Or anything about it in fact. In fact, he knows frightening little about the tech he talks about.

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Remember that time when he uninstalled his desktop environment? :D

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    [–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

    "This prototype water cooler is bullshit, it doesn't work" as he has it improperly mounted on the wrong hardware

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    [–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    There's more to Linux than merely installing it though.

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, but that just goes to show how little he knows-- he can't even install it right.

    And when he blamed Pop!_OS for tanking his Linux Daily Driver challenge, biggest cop out ever. I had updated my Pop workstation when it happened. The issue was resolved the next day. He could have waited 24 hours and then continued his challenge unimpeded.

    Actually a poser.

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    [–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

    Worst Linus.

    [–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    tbh before i really cared about tech stuff i thought it was linux tech tips lmao

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    [–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    There was a time when you could learn something by watching his channel. But I unsubbed when every other episode was about his wife, his house, or some personal shit about his employees. Get the fuck out with that parasocial shit.

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    [–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    I can make it work, but I don't have a clear idea of what I'm doing especially with the partitions. I`m still too used to thinking in drive letters.

    [–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago

    Once it clicks you'll think the drive letter thing is stupid. I can have 10 partitions from five different drives all seamlessly mounted on the filesystem on various paths and any program using them would be none the wiser.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Everything is a file. You can control all of your hardware just by writing data to different files.

    On Windows you have C, D and COM1, COM2

    On Linux and other *nixes you normally have /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/ttyUSB0

    [–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Titty USBs??? No wonder nerds love Linux!

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