this post was submitted on 30 Jan 2024
142 points (85.9% liked)

Technology

59594 readers
3131 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Apple Has Sold Approximately 200,000 Vision Pro Headsets::Apple has sold upwards of 200,000 Vision Pro headsets, MacRumors has learned from a source with knowledge of Apple's sales numbers. Apple began...

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is that supposed to be a lot? I can't tell.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Almost $700,000,000 in revenue if you multiply the price by the amount sold.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Keep in mind they probably spent more than that amount of money on R&D / aqua-hiring.

It's a lot of money, but still not enough to be a commercially successful product for at least a few more years.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

And you should keep in mind that these things are only sold in the USA at this point

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’d say that’s certainly enough to attract developers given it’s barely out.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (22 children)

I am insanely interested but the apple ecosystem sucks. I use a MacBook for work because it's that or Windows, but good lord do i hate the closed source walled garden. Linux at home ftw.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

MacOS is waaay better for that than iOS though. If you squint a little and try to stick to the CLI, you can pretend it's Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Or, run docker and have actual Linux.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That docker engine still runs in a small Linux vm.

And the m1, m2, etc chips killed the use of VirtualBox for running full fledged vms :/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

UTM will run full fledged linux just fine on Apple Silicon.

Sharing host file systems is still tougher than Virtualbox, but time and adoption will remedy that.

https://github.com/utmapp/UTM

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (21 replies)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (4 children)

First reviews I saw on YouTube are quite disappointing. They really ship it with a powerbank and even without it this thing weights about 600 grams. I cannot imagine wearing this thing all day and do work or eh … what the fuck are you gonna do with this besides games and watching videos??

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I never knew so many people would buy an AR headset of apple.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I'm not surprised so many would buy it, but it surprised we reached this number before the first reviews. That a brand new line of product and I'm not even sure what people will use it for 😶

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Yea ... I personally don't get it ... but people are down for it.

The biggest example I've seen people excited about is office work ... instead of screens it's all just a VR. On which I'm expecting to see posts/blogs about why that doesn't work too well in the long term. I just don't see a big heavy thing on your face working out as a product. And while Apple may have done a lot of things well here, they haven't gotten around that essential problem it seems (??) and may have jumped the gun here out of desparation to find new product markets. For me this is a 50/50 as their first major flop in a while (does homepod count?)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I can’t imagine working with that thing hanging on my face all day. I feel like it will hurt after 30 minutes of continuous wear.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Maybe not hurt by 30m but you'd probably be fatigued.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I don't see it either... but everyone who's actually worn one seems to think it's a huge deal. Including people who own other headsets and never use them.

At this point, I'm willing to assume they're right. A bit like how phones were terrible until suddenly the technology improved a bit (better touch screens, faster CPUs, faster cellular networks, better cameras, better software...) and suddenly smartphones became awesome.

If Apple is onto something, other brands of headset will match them soon enough. They all have access to the same hardware suppliers, it's just a matter of putting it together and writing some decent software.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The first testers already said it was too heavy to use for more than an hour, and certainly could not use this for the entire work day. It's certainly not a replacement for the current screens and desk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Meh. Ride a bicycle for an hour, if you never do it, and your ass will hurt for days.

Ride a bicycle once a week for a little while... and it'll be perfectly comfortable no matter how long you sit on the seat. Your muscles will strengthen as necessary to compensate for the new load.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Or like take office chairs: Sit in one for a few hours, you might start to feel sore. But sit in one for 8 hours a day for like 3 years, and you'll end up with excellent posture and limber hamstrings from all the practice you've gotten.

Pretty sure that's how it works, anyway.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

3D VR porn for head tracking is already widely for free all over the internet. Everything is setup and ready, just waiting for the influx of cash. There will be so much porn. So much money.

If I were still confident enough in myself to make erotic content, I would be all in on that right now.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I would bet a lot of these purchases are people who are hoping to build something for it and cash in on the first wave of adopters. I know a lot of developers that have bought one as a business expense … or “business expense”. 

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought the same thing when the Apple Watch first released. Smart watches had been around for a while, but they didn’t become prolific until Apple joined the party.

I don’t think Vision is going to be as prolific by any means, but I expect to see it fairly commonly in 5 years. The price will come down, the ecosystem will grow, and it’ll find its niche.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I’m not even sure what people will use it for

Bragging?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm assuming the numbers must include retail stores purchasing the product to sell to their customers too? Or are these direct to consumer numbers only?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think many scalpers are in there too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It requires a face scan from your iPhone or MacBook to order one.

I imagine that's going to make scalping harder?

Edit: not that they can't, but it wasn't bots buying it all.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Great, now you're giving the glowies your eyes while looking like an alien

Apple fanboyism is beyond me..

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How's it any different than regular VR sets besides price? I don't own any apple stuff besides an iPad for my kid, but outside of the absurd cost I don't see the difference between this and the Index or something.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Has anybody seen the movie WALL-E?

It's probably a bit of a stretch, but I feel like this is somehow the genesis/precursor of the hoverchairs that all the adults use for everything.

(God, I hope not.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Have you ever seen a group of 20something friends at dinner together where each person was on their phone ignoring the others? At least with the Apple headset they would be deliberate about their intentions.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

These things somehow look even dumber than Google Glass, but Apple made them, so I guess they are the height of fashion now...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I'm impressed. It speaks to the strength of the Apple brand. Meta should benefit if this becomes the next thing despite the differences.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully it will push the AR/VR industry forward.

I’ve been expecting this to be the new iPhone in that I think it has the potential to transform consumer perceptions and the industry. I’m personally waiting for reviews and a hands on test because my eyesight is crap. If it makes it so I can use a non-blurry monitor (my vision isn’t correctable to the point that I can easily read a monitor, and I compensate by using the best and sharpest I can find), it would be life changing for me and easily worth the $4k or whatever the final cost is after taxes and lenses and such.

But, like with iPhone, I think it just gets better from here and that the use cases developed using the high end headset will cascade through the industry.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

It will push it in the wrong direction for me. It pushes VR/AR headset to be closed in one ecosystem, low repairability and no software freedom. It should go the other way and a heck lot cheaper than what apple does.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›