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I've used a US-QWERTY keyboard layout my entire life. I've seen other layouts that do things like reduce the size of the enter/backspace keys, move the pipe operator (|) and can't wrap my head around how I would code on those.

What are your experiences? Are there any layouts that you prefer for coding over US English? Are there any symbols that you have a hard time reaching ($ for example)?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I can't even wrap my mind around people who use 60% keyboards and use a bunch of extra function keys let alone anything more drastic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm columnar-ortho now, but for standard it's ISO or bust. You can keep your shitty enter key and your overly long shift key

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I use Coleman DH and symbols have never been an issue because I just put them on another layer 😅

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I use a sub-40% layout that I love. I wrote all about it here: https://natecox.dev/lets-talk-about-keyboards

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Used US and JP qwerty, both are fine after a while, but switching can be annoying (mostly I mix up whether " or @ is Shift-2).

The one thing I hate is the fragmentation of the bottom left cluster. I started out on keyboards with Ctrl Fn Super Alt, but now I much prefer Fn Ctrl Alt Super.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

ABNT2 here, this layout is necessary due to many brazilian portuguese words containing accents. Plus, having ç as a separate key is great. For coding, the \ | key is left to Z and the : ; key is near the right shift, with brackets and curly braces usually around Enter, while ' " is left to 1. It's very good for programming, I'd say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The British want a stupid as fuck they moved the tilde into a weird spot and you're basically can't do it

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Started on US, now using DE for decades. But able to still use us. Slash position is a plus there.

But Swiss, that's the stuff of nightmares! Oh and mac while usable unnecessarily sucks too imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But Swiss, that’s the stuff of nightmares!

Ha, that sounds funny (in a morbid kind of way...). What's so bad about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If I recall correctly (it's been a while) it seems just fine and familiar (to DE I think) but when you start using it it's just different enough to basically mess everything up and require you to validate everything.

(from an it admin perspective)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I used to use the Brazilian ABNT-2 layout, it's pretty much just a US layout with accent keys that activate like a second layer for some specific keys to display specific Portuguese language characters such as ç á à â ã é è etc. It's surprisingly ok for programming as it doesn't get in the way because you have special keys to activate the 2nd layer and most of them you need to spread shift + something in order to activate them. I'd say it's a good layout.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

If I have to work on an American QUERTY keyboard, I have to look for each and every special character. Because our QWERTZ-keyboard has them in other places to make space for all the interesting characters an American keyboard simply fails to offer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pro tip for fellow yuropean devs: you can change the layout, and learn it easily.

Pro tip for fellow ISO enjoyers living in yurop: a keyboard on Amazon costs 20$. If you're using a laptop you can order one from the UK, it's mostly the same, except beware of the mental asylum layouts that move this | key to the bottom left. You can also buy a laptop from amazon.com if you filter by "global shipping". Power bricks always work with 110/220/240, the cable that goes into the plug is easily exchangeable for 10$.

Some premium brands let you choose the layout. E.g. xmg, slimbook.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Colemak-DH on column staggered ortholinear keyboard. Look.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

ANSI all the way. I get irrationally angry about any other layout 😡

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Using the JIS layout. One thing I miss from ANSI is the single and double quotes on my right pinky.(on the same key) Other than that, JIS is a nice layout to do programing with.

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