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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No he is showing us exactly who we know him to be a piece of human shit.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (14 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The only brave man in that room was zelensky.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The restraint on Zelenskyy to not call him Krasnov to his face.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's the whole paradox of tolerance, on a slightly different level.

A democratic society cannot allow non-democractic elements such as Trump to use the democratic process. By it's very nature. People will then say "but it's democracy, I should be able to choose whatever I want", yes, except choosing against democracy. Which is by definition not a choice that can be available.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago

Trump is such a piece of shit, zelensky showed so much restraint. I think I would have slapped that traitor into the next dimension

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