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Ive been runing Debian 12 (kde) since bookworm was released and am loving it.

I have recently discovered Devuan which seems to be Debian without systemd - what is the benefit of removing this init system?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Short version: some people (I'm one of them) object to systemd on grounds that are 75% philosophical and 25% the kind of tech detail that's more of a matter of taste than anything else. The older sysV init is a smaller program, which means that it has a smaller absolute number of bugs than systemd but also does less on its own. Some of us regard "does less" as a feature rather than a bug.

If systemd works for you and you don't know or care about the philosophical side of the argument, there is probably no benefit for you in switching.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Uhm, it's Systemd.

I think this guy has a few points.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

never seen this before, heard of the others but s6 is new to me. very interesting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Alpine is about to switch to it for a while now. Which is imho the best place for s6*, servers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You should embrace systemd. It's actually good. Replaces all startup scripts, logs to a common log, even has scheduled systemd jobs just like cron but better, since they can have proper dependencies. Want to run something right after network stack is up and working? Easy with systemd, more difficult with cron and more hacky.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For average users, it's a matter of preference. Like asking what's the benefit of chocolate over vanilla.

You are curious though, so I'd recommend giving another init system a try. That would give you some perspective on systemd.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very valid alternatives include:

  • s6
  • runit
  • openrc
  • BSD rc.d

And you can find a pretty complete list here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago