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[–] [email protected] 97 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

For first few seconds, I deadass though they are talking about Germans with a height of 1,5 meters.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Only Germans this high have balcony solar

[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago

Makes sense, taller Germans throw too much of a shadow to make the solar worth it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

That was me.

So why won't taller Germans get solar? I don't even see the connection to height... Oh, maybe they hit their heads on the panels? No, that doesn't seem likely... I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (17 children)

“Plug-in solar is part of the whole array of options,”

I don't understand how this works? For our system we need an inverter that cost about $3000.- (half if it doesn't have to handle a battery), and it needs to be installed by an authorized electrician.
For a small system as the one shown, the price of panels are peanuts, the 2 panels shown should cost less than $150 combined. While the cost of inverter and getting it connected is way way higher. There's a lot more to this than not being on the roof!?! But which isn't disclosed.

The article says nothing about how the power from those panels is made usable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

OK thanks, so they are indeed complete systems including inverter, so it can be connected to the grid.
I suppose they've made some cheap low power inverters then, but the power still needs to have stable voltage an frequency and synchronization. So I wonder how cheap it's possible to make?
I also suppose it still needs an authorized electrician to connect it? Unless Germany has some fancy system that is prepared for "plug in" connection of a local power source.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In the EU, as long as it's under 800W it can be plugged directly into an outlet in your home without any kind of installation, back-feeding the grid that way.

You're not getting paid anything for the power you send back into the grid so anything you don't use you lose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Still very cool, because selling surplus power is almost completely worthless anyway. (at least it is here)
In the summer when you can sell, prices are generally extremely low, we have sold about twice what we use, but the value of selling is only about 5-10% on average, compared to the savings of using it ourselves. That's because the price often drop to close to zero in the middle of the day, and sometimes even below.
Electricity itself is dirt cheap, the reason the prices are high are transportation and taxes, and short peak prices in the evening. Here transportation alone is more than the electricity itself during winter.
And we are only paid the pure electricity price here, which I suppose is the case most places.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It literally plugs into the wall.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

That's amazing. 😀

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If you pay 3000€ for an inverter then that's probably included installing and whatnot. You can get a cheap 50€ 4kW inverter on aliexpress, or an expensive 500€ 10kW one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No the price was not including installation, We have 11.2 kW panels and 7.5 kWh batteries. Installation was almost $5000.- !! That was probably mostly the 28 panels on the roof. But we had one installer handling everything, who was also responsible for the electrician.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

That's a massive installation though! Wow!

Also, you got a biig roof!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if a whole building could use one or two inverters?

I feel that'll make the cost reasonable

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

For apartment buildings I don't think that's possible, since electricity is a per household connection with separate meter.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In b4 nimbys complain it's an eyesore despite most people never looking up

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago

Wait that’s a thing?

Holy shit that a thing!? That’s awesome!!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 hours ago

"100 million smokers can't be wrong!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

Would be nice if grid tied inverters weren’t such a regulatory PITA. Micro-deployment solar, and more importantly distributed energy storage, makes so much sense and could solve a lot of grid-related problems.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

I can tell you I have a portable solar battery for emergencies and if I need to use it the right place for the panel is in my balcony, so this makes a ton of sense. In an apartment building roof space is relatively small per unit, but at least where I am every unit has a balcony. In my case even a rear-facing balcony that doesn't face the street but still gets sun for anywhere between 4-10 hours a day. If/when I am in a position to explore a solar installation this would be a good thing to look into.

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