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DeepSeek Proves It: Open Source is the Secret to Dominating Tech Markets (and Wall Street has it wrong). (www.linuxfoundation.org)
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[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (22 children)

Apparently DeepSeek is lying, they were collecting thousands of NVIDIA chips against the US embargo and it's not about the algorithm. The model's good results come just from sheer chip volume and energy used. That's the story I've heard and honeslty it sounds legit.

Not sure if this questions has been answered though: if it's open sourced, cant we see what algorithms they used to train it? If we could then we would know the answer. I assume we cant, but if we cant, then whats so cool about it being open source on the other hand? What parts of code are valuable there besides algorithms?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s time for you to do some serious self-reflection about the inherent biases you believe about ~~Asians~~ Chinese people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

WTF dude. You mentioned Asia. I love Asians. Asia is vast. There are many countries, not just China bro. I think you need to do these reflections. Im talking about very specific case of Chinese Deepseek devs potentiall lying about the chips. The assumptions and generalizations you are thinking of are crazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And how do your feelings stand up to the fact that independent researchers find the paper to be reproducible?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Well maybe. Apparntly some folks are already doing that but its not done yet. Let's wait for the results. If everything is legit we should have not one but plenty of similar and better models in near future. If Chinese did this with 100 chips imagine what can be done with 100000 chips that nvidia can sell to a us company

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"China bad"

*sounds legit

Sounds legit is what one hears about FUD spread by alglophone media every time the US oligarchy is caught with their pants down.

Snowden: "US is illegally spying on everyone"

Media: Snowden is Russia spy

*Sounds legit

France: US should not unilaterally invade a country

Media: Iraq is full of WMDs

*Sounds legit

DeepSeek: Guys, distillation and body of experts is a way to save money and energy, here's a paper on how to do same.

Media: China bad, deepseek must be cheating

*Sounds legit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I don’t like this. Everything you’re saying is true, but this argument isn’t persuasive, it’s dehumanizing. Making people feel bad for disagreeing doesn’t convince them to stop disagreeing.

A more enlightened perspective might be “this might be true or it might not be, so I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for more evidence to arrive in the future.”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yup. Thats internet nowadays. Full of comments like this. Cant do muich about it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

We already have all the evidence. This isn’t some developing story, the paper is reproducible. What’s dehumanizing is assuming that Asians can’t make good software.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is your brain on Chinese/Russian propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you point out any factual inaccuracies or is it just that your wittew fee-fees got hurt?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago

Ah, cool, a new account to block.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Snowden really proved he wasn't a Russian spy when he... check notes... immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets

Russia wasn't his final destiny. He was en route to somewhere else when his passport was revoked.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago

Cope be strong in this one lol

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