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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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Happy birthday 🎊🎉 GNU/Linux.

Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old.

It was thankfully released to the public on August 25th, 1991 by Linus Torvalds when he was only 21 years old student.

What a lovely journey 🤍

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If we are marking the birth of Linux and trying to call it GNU / Linux, we should remember our history.

Linux was not created with the intention of being part of the GNU project. In this very announcement, it says “not big and professional like GNU”. Taking away the adjectives, the important bit is “not GNU”. Parts of GNU turned out to be “big and professional”. Look at who contributes to GCC and Glibc for example. I would argue that the GNU kernel ( HURD ) is essentially a hobby project though ( not very “professional” ). The rest of GNU never really not that “big” either. My Linux distro offers me something like 80,000 packages and only a few hundred of them are associated with the GNU project.

What I wanted to point out here though is the license. Today, the Linux kernel is distributed via the GPL. This is the Free Software Foundation’s ( FSF ) General Public License—arguably the most important copyleft software license. Linux did not start out GPL though.

In fact, the early goals of the FSF and Linus were not totally aligned.

The FSF started the GNU project to create a POSIX system that provides Richard Stallman’s four freedoms and the GPL was conceived to enforce this. The “free” in FSF stands for freedom. In the early days, GNU was not free as in money as Richard Stallman did not care about that. Richard Stallman made money for the FSF by charging for distribution of GNU on tapes.

While Linus Torvalds as always been a proponent of Open Source, he has not always been a great advocate of “free software” in the FSF sense. The reason that Linus wrote Linux is because MINIX ( and UNIX of course ) cost money. When he says “free” in this announcement, he means money. When he started shipping Linux, he did not use the GPL. Perhaps the most important provision of the original Linux license was that you could NOT charge money for it. So we can see that Linus and RMS ( Richard Stallman ) had different goals.

In the early days, a “working” Linux system was certainly Linux + GNU ( see my reply elsewhere ). As there was no other “free” ( legally unencumbered ) UNIX-a-like, Linux became popular quickly. People started handing out Linux CDs at conferences and in universities ( this was pre-WWW remember ). The Linux license meant that you could not charge for these though and, back then, distributing CDs was not cheap. So being an enthusiastic Linux promoter was a financial commitment ( the opposite of “free” ).

People complained to Linus about this. Imposing financial hardship was the opposite of what he was trying to do. So, to resolve the situation, Linus switched the Linux kernel license to GPL.

The Linux kernel uses a modified GPL though. It is one that makes it more “open” ( as in Open Source ) but less “free” ( as in RMS / FSF ).

Switching to the GPL was certainly a great move for Linux. It exploded in popularity. When the web become a thing in the mid-90’s, Linux grew like wild fire and it dragged parts of the GNU project into the limelight wit it.

As a footnote, when Linus sent this announcement that he was working on Linux, BSD was already a thing. BSD was popular in academia and a version for the 386 ( the hardware Linus had ) had just been created. As BSD was more mature and more advanced, arguably it should have been BSD and not Linux that took over the world. BSD was free both in terms or money and freedom. It used the BSD license of course which is either more or less free than the GPL depending on which freedoms you value. Sadly, AT&T sued Berkeley ( the B in BSD ) to stop the “free”‘ distribution of BSD. Linux emerged as an alternative to BSD right at the moment that BSD was seen as legally risky. Soon, Linux was reaching audiences that had never heard of BSD. By the time the BSD lawsuit was settled, Linux was well on its way and had the momentum. BSD is still with us ( most purely as FreeBSD ) but it never caught up in terms of community size and / or commercial involvement.

If not for that AT&T lawsuit, there may have never been a Linux as we know it now and GNU would probably be much less popular as well.

Ironically, at the time that Linus wrote this announcement, BSD required GCC as well. Modern FreeBSD uses Clang / LLVM instead but this did not come around until many, many years later. The GNU project deserves its place in history and not just on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The BSD license allows incorporation of BSD code in non-free projects. That was both an advantage for capitalists while simultaneously moving hobbyists away from it's development. Kind of an important bit of info.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Can this be the new GNU/Linux copypasta?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

won't be big and professional like gnu

that didn't age well

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

And this:

and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sure it aged well. WAY WAY BIGGER than gnu.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Weight your words my friend! GNU's a behemoth !

GCC alone is almost as big as Linux. Add core/binutils, the Hurd, ... And you easily outclass the kernel itself !

~ $ du -sh linux-6.4.12/ gcc-13.2.0/                    1.5G    linux-6.4.12/                                   1.1G    gcc-13.2.0/

Oh, and Emacs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's debatable, since what people generally call "Linux" is more GNU than Linux anyway. "Linux" as the Linux fandom considers is it big and professional like GNU, because it is GNU (among other things).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Allow me to interject for a moment...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, Linux is 32 years old; GNU goes back to 1984, and Unix all the way back to 1970! The history of this OS is much older than Linus Torvalds's involvement; he "only" created and maintains the most popular kernel.

But yes, happy birthday to Linux. Many thousands have contributed to making this operating system what it is today and they all have my utmost thanks for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is a happy coincidence that the evening before the 1970s began, at 4pm Pacific, they decided to invent UNIX.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it's a joke about how UNIX timestamps work. They count milliseconds from January 1st 1970, 00:00:00 UTC, which is 4pm the day before in PST. So the happy coincidence is that they invented UNIX at the very millisecond when its clock starts.

There, ruined the joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh right, the UNIX epoch actually starts when UNIX was invented

Somehow, I didn't expect that...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way Linux is 32! I remember when it first came out and it was just...oh.

Don't mind me, I'll just be here yelling at the cloud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sigh, my condolences. I’m shouting right beside you. I first learned about linux in 1993 in college. I got it working on a shiny new 486 with super vga graphics. We were allowed access to the college’s aix mainframes and thus the internet via a slip connection - but only through Unix like systems. Linux was amazing, I couldn’t believe we had x going, and loading up cad, matlab, maple, ftp, fsp, irc, nettrek, and everything else possible in the computer centers - but over a telephone line from our apartment.

Magical.

Funny how it really only became my daily driver three ish years ago - despite using it forever. Cuz games - glad that’s changed finally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is NOT portable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

Famous last words

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Imagine making a typo and it continually being shared and highlighted for over 30 years.

Kinda makes me glad I'll never be famous for anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Quoting from memory: "Remember the times when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Linus that was promised.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s a shame. Linus was and is far more deserving of respect for his contributions to technology than Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Probably even Woz. But he’s by far down the line in terms of fame and fortune. Except maybe Woz.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Watch some of the interviews in his home office. Dude is a happy dad with a nice family. Meanwhile a lot of tech billionaires are miserable. I'd say the respect he's earned by not selling out is worth more than mainstream success. Linux and Linus are just the right size.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair point. Out of all the tech legends, Linus (and Woz) seem the happiest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They seem to have their priorities in the right place, living a happy comfortable human life instead of trying to mimic the exploit-profit-control-infiniteGrowth-fullThrottle24/7 priorities of the companies they started/own/work for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have a feeling he's more okay with having less fortune though. Just the impression I get about him.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love GNU/Linux.

Before I used Debian, I'd constantly fight with my operating system. Every time I opened michaelsoft binbows(which would take ages to open), I'd make sure that simplewall is running, so that bill doesn't get any more info, after every 180 days, I'd run MAS to renew my office 365. I'd manually sync time since windows would use that same domain to send telemetry.

Now everytime I turn on my computer, the swirl of Debian greets me in a flash, my i3 being ready even before I sit.

I can spend hours doing work without any mandatory updates . It is an operating system that never makes me feel its presence. For that I'm grateful to people like Ian, Stallman, Linus, among countless others making my life better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can spend hours doing work without any mandatory updates .

Weird way to say spend hours fixing something that just randomly borked your PC.

Seriously, though. Windows has a fuck ton of issues, but it seems like every distro I install I am eventually greeted with something just completely breaking for no reason whatsoever and spend the next 6 hours scouring Linux forums for a solution, where everyone is just hostile as fuck screaming at people to "figure it out yourself" and to "use Terminal".

Glad it works for you, though. Wonder how many downvotes this cold take is going to net me lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Weird way to say spend hours fixing something that just randomly borked your PC.

by work, I meant actual work, and not fixing something.
Last time I fixed something was a few weeks ago. It was MPV needing an update(which was totally my fault, as I often forget to do updates) as a yt-dlp script wasn't working.

As for something breaking, my experience has been the opposite. Probably because I don't own any newest hardware and don't do much gaming, or any other stuff that might require some proprietary service for optimal functioning.

Also, my experience with the community has been excellent so far. Even my basic questions(e.g.: dual boot) were answered promptly and nicely by the community(I mostly use #linux on IRC, or distro-specific forums like linux mint forum).

I'd suggest you to give GNU/Linux one more try. Probably try out something like Nobara if you're into games. Or maybe Linux mint if you want it to just work.

Maybe you just weren't lucky the first time.

And don't worry about fake internet points. They mean nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Amen to that.

A lot of Linux users have forgotten how tech-savvy they are even compared to the average power user. Saying "Linux just works" shows just how tone deaf they are.

As someone who didnt know anything about file systems besides FAT32 and NTFS, and as someone who isn't comfortable using command line, trying to switch to Linux was horrible. On windows something might not work they way you want it to, but it does kinda work. On Linux I felt like I had to fight every step of the way to do simple tasks.

Its like buying a car - I'm not a gearhead, I just want something that gets me around when I put petrol in. I want to drive it off the lot, even if there are a few maddening features like the cup holder being in the wrong place. I don't want to have to choose the right wheels and assemble them, I don't want to have to buy seats and install them, and I don't want to stop every other day to figure out why something isn't working.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean Linus Torvalds is older than my Father, that shocked me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Linus was so nice back then...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Won't be big

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I read in "The Cathedral and The Bazaar" that Linux was not that revolutionary (it reused code and ideas from Mimix) but the collaboration of the entire talent pool from the Internet to develop the kernel is. Massively respect for Linus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sniffle They grow up so fast!

Posted via android.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Did stallman coat-tail Linux on day one, or did he latch onto the "ackshually, it's got some gun in there so we deserve top billing" only a little after?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux doesn't have any GNU in it. Linux is a kernel that GNU runs on top of. That's what Stallman means by "GNU/Linux."

Maybe he is a little bitter about his life's work and philosophy being erased by Linux fans, but that is understandable. Maybe he is a little too bitter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People think it's about Stallman being bitter. But it's because GNU is a political project with the goal of total user freedom and control over their computer. The software is a step on the way there. But if people use free software without understanding, valuing or taking advantage of the freedom it gives them, the GNU project has failed.

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