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Evolve - A brand new GNOME Theme Manager (arcnations.wixsite.com)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hasn't been released fully yet by the developer but looks interesting.

Edit: Video says repo is on its way

Using a YouTube link intentionally— better people redirect to their own choice piped or invidious instance that they're logged into (various redirect tools available)

Edit: Repo link here https://github.com/arcnations-united/evolve

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The 50€ Patreon tier perks include "everything ad-free". And there's no repo or source available anywhere.

WTF

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's Youtuber. Patreon gives his YouTube ad free. Repo is on its way according to video.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

on its way

Should be there before release. Shaaaady

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

But they get that schweet, schweet ad revenue... hatchacha~!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Assuming it’s gpl or something, you only need to provide the source with binary distributions of the product. Anyone in the patreon would have access to the source (I’m assuming)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

before release

According to OP it hasn't been released yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s available for download. And if you want it ad free, you pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Pretty certain the ads are in his YouTube videos and not his projecf

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So what’s the difference between the paid and the free download links?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think there is any, he just offered an early release to his Patron supporters (he didnt put the repo up yet)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

So why have two links to the same thing?

S K E T C H Y

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Weird, the video announcement states the software is FOSS. I think that's regarding his YouTube content and not this stuff. The video also states github is wip

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where's the git repo?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

According to video it's wip/coming

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Glad this exists, but I am worried with the way GNOME is going that this might not be worth it in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Which way is GNOME going? I'm out of the loop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Gnome seems to be getting better with each update, I'm not really sure what you mean? It's stable, looks amazing/consistent, has a very healthy app ecosystem, etc.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

GNOME is notorious for being against themes the way Evolve does it, mainly because themes might override default themes set by the app developers. While it does result in GNOME being more polished and coherent, some feel that it's too limiting, especially with an ecosystem like Linux's. It's essentially the trade-off you get.

Libadwaita is notorious for this - libadwaita does not allow theming by default, and apps stick out like a sore thumb on anything that doesn't run GNOME. Gradience helps match libadwaita apps to a colour scheme, and it's what I use to make Easy Effects blend as well as possible with KDE (FWIW, Easy Effects has no KDE equivalent).

[+] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Unless you're writing ruby on rails on a 13" macbook, you'll run into Gnome's limitations when working.

Gnome is in many ways so focused that it makes a lot of productivity use impossible. You always have to open the menu to launch software, you've got no system tray, and worst of all, Gnome apps are so simplified that you constantly run into the limitations when using it productively.

When working with dozens of windows open at the same time across multiple monitors, I'm a fan of KDE. And KDE apps tend to also have all the extra features I need to handle weird situations, files, and edge cases.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Might I ask what you do for work? I do software development stuff at my job and I’ve found gnome lets me be like 3x as productive as other desktops. The simple desktop experience coupled with the robust app ecosystem simply can’t be found anywhere else. I use like 3 monitors with dozens of apps open as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm a software dev as well.

But I often layer multiple windows in the same tile of the screen. e.g. I may have the IDE with the software I'm working on in one tile, the IDE with the library source code I'm working with in the second tile, and a live build of the app in the third tile. But I've also got documentation, as a website, in the same tile as the IDE with the lib's source.

Now when I switch between the IDE with the lib's source, and the browser with the lib's documentation, I only want that tile to change. No problem, with KDEs taskbar and window switcher I can quickly do that.

But when using the applications menu on Gnome I get a disrupting UI across all screens that immediately rips me out of whatever I was doing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess that’s fair, I rarely need to switch between windows that heavily so workspaces setup with what I need when I need to switch makes vanilla gnome work perfectly for me. Especially since hitting the super key let’s me see everything at a glance. I also hate tiled setups since they make me super unproductive as the windows are more cumbersome when they aren’t maximized or floating.

Something about whitespace and negatives I guess. Same thing that makes libadwaita the nicest ui toolkit to me. Kde was just too busy while libadwaita and gnome struck the best balance between usability and visuals.

I think it’s just a case of different people enjoying different things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So how do you juggle having to see dozens of windows at the same time then?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I kinda just do, I press super maybe once every 10 minutes or so and just see all my windows. It takes me maybe half a second to find what I want and that’s it. Less time if I’ve already setup my workspaces as I can just three finger swipe or super plus scroll to get to what I want. Pretty simple.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you should try out some of the most popular Gnome extensions that address those situations?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I tried that, but IMO it's much simpler and more robust to just configure KDE than to install a dozen Gnome extensions that end up broken after updates anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

To each their own, the point is that for people that like Gnome there are options to customize it for many workflows

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Not right now in performance but soon it will be. I definitely think it's the most coherent. They have a design philosophy that they follow and stick to it. I love gnome

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't use gnome; can someone who does plz tell me what style that is? The color scheme is Everforest, but what's the rest of the style called? It'd look good on rofi & polybar.

Edit: I guess the theme is also Everforest Dark? I think it's this one.

Edit 2: Someone has already done most of the work for polybar, rofi, and some other tiling WM tools; dotfiles here. I haven't tested it myself yet, but it looks pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Think it's from this video

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

from this video

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

YouTube links are fine - I hate those stupid bots that spam posts about such links.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Did you read your own letter? It's not relevant here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you like to tinker with your own system, that’s fine with us. However, if you change things like stylesheets and icons, you should be aware that you’re in unsupported territory. Any issues you encounter should be reported to the theme developer, not the app developer.

I don't know whether you're shitting on theme developers or GTK app developers with your comment, but they explicitly state that they think theming is fine, they're just tired of people reporting theme problems as app problems. It's a completely reasonable take.

If I were an app developer I wouldn't want to open a bug report, then spend hours and hours investigating a reported issue, only to find out that my app was never the problem in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's more targeted towards the DE developers.

Some use gnome but with their own theme and it can make normal apps look broken.

You can see this if you use an Elementary OS application while still using the default gnome theme as an example.

Or if you use Pop! Shell, and try to use a normal libadwaita app. (Although Pop Shell has gotten better about how they implement their theme)