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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (6 children)

How is this Open Source? The official repository https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 contains images only, a PDF file, and links to download the model. I don't see any code. What exactly is Open Source here? And if so, where to get the source code?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I want to preface this question by saying that I'm not trolling and I'm not defending Proton. I'm genuinely confused at the reaction to this article.

I'm also upset with Proton's recent comments, specifically the December tweet and subsequent responses, and I'm evaluating my use of Proton.

Near as I can tell, this article (which I did read) lays out the facts about Deepseek as an LLM originating in China and the implications of that.

Why is this article a reason to pile on proton?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I cancelled my Proton renewal for January and am very happy with Mullvad VPN.

Mozilla VPN runs Mullvad under the hood as well.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There are many llms you can use offline

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Deepseek works reasonably well, even at cpu only in ollama. I ran the 7b and 1.5b models and it wasn't awful. 7b slowed down as the convo went on, but the 1.5b model felt pretty passable while I was playing with it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Proton have been too noisy from the very start .

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (5 children)

It might be that they're equating the name with the app and company, not the open source model, based on one of the first lines:

AI chat apps like ChatGPT collect user data, filter responses, and make content moderation decisions that are not always transparent.

Emphasis mine. The rest of the article reads the same way.

Most people aren't privacy-conscious enough to care who gets what data and who's building the binaries and web apps, so sounding the alarm is appropriate for people who barely know the difference between AI and AGI.

I get that people are mad at Proton right now (anyone have a link? I'm behind on the recent stuff), but we should ensure we get mad at things that are real, not invent imaginary ones based on contrived contexts.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Here is a general write up about the CEO showing their maga colors.

More happened in the reddit thread though that added some more elements, like the ceo opting for a new user name with "88" in it (a common right wing reference), his unprompted use of the phrase "didnt mean to trigger you," him evasively refusing to clarify what his stance actually was because "that would be more politics," on and on. You can read through that thread here, although proton corporate are mods, so i have no idea what they may have deleted at this point.

The thread was full of "mask on" behavior that is pretty transparent to anyone experienced with the alt right on the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Yeah it's a fair call, but to me it is the very context of why people are made at Proton that makes me suspicious of articles like this.

I can't find the original summary post someone made, but here's the last response from Proton CEO. Read the comments as well to get a good summary: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/

TL;DR: Proton used their official accounts to share CEO's pro-US-Republican thoughts as their official stance. They since apologized and said they would use personal account to share those thoughts. But (IMO) now having posted this blog on the actual Proton website, it says to me that there are some serious bias alignment issues with a company that is supposed to be a safe-haven away from all of that.

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