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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Kde 6 seems to be bug fixes and tidying up some menus. I'm not sure why it's getting so hyped.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Well, it's a big upgrade underneath. They're moving from qt5 to qt6. Tons of fundamental wayland fixes with the new toolkit/framework. You might be right that it's not that dazzling of a visual overhaul, but it's a mature product. We need more polish than overhaul

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The migration to Qt6 and the work being carried out on Wayland, which is all going into Plasma 6.0, is going to allow massive changes that will be introduced over the 6.x series. There are some pretty cool features in 6.0, but the bigger changes will come over the next few point versions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I agree with you on this, but I feel we should highlight that there is a big difference between "is being implemented" and "will be implemented".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

If you read back Nate's blog. He explains everything that is going on under the hood.

https://pointieststick.com/

You can also look up what people like David Edmundson and Arjen Hiemstra are doing:

http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/qt6_wayland_robustness/ http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/new-ideas-using-wayland-input-methods/ https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2023-08/remote-desktop-using-rdp-protocol-plasma-wayland

It is unlikely you will see any of these updates in Plasma 6.0, as they are more proof of concepts than finished, tried and tested features. But you will see them introduced over the next versions in the 6-x series.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that's all I'm going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.

Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they'd learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.

There's a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven't tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I'm doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven't read every single one of them.

The general default look and feel maybe isn't being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we're all about theming and customization anyway, right?

Most importantly they aren't throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.

After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I'm very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

@be_[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I'm actually 100% happy with just bugfixes. KDE is my choice, but, I mean, its still a fairly buggy desktop. It's great, all it needs is the masses of bugs fixed, anything that does that is good. That's all it needs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm happy with it as well as I hope it fixes the dealbreaker issues im having with wayland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sure, everything has bugs and bugfixes are good. It's just not fair to characterize this entire release as bugfixes and menu adjustments, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For me its all the stuff they're not writing about.

Qt6 drastically improves wayland functionality.

HDR support with good SDR tonemapping/gamma 2.2

Variable Refresh Rate support for the whole desktop

ICC color profiles

And then yes the bugs. Right click menus going partially invisible, spectacle not dumping to clipboard properly, etc. all fixed. Just gone. Poof.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Variable Refresh Rate support for the whole desktop

What's the difference to the current Plasma 5 implementation? I was under the impression VRR always worked over the whole desktop if enabled.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

because those two things are pretty much what Plasma needs the most at this point. the two most common complaints about Plasma are that it's buggy and that it's ugly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah I understand it's a lot under the hood, but people seem to anticipate it like it's the best and most exciting thing since the second coming of sliced bread. I kinda don't get it. But it's good that it's coming along. I probably won't even notice a difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

you'd be surprised at how much of a difference that really makes

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I for sure hope for the best.

Especially under load, KDE is a freezing mess. Copying back a backup (under 100GB) and I literally cannot move my cursor.

Meanwhile crashing programs make the shell unresponsive too. Like, there is no seperation?

The performance issues literally are so bad I considered moving back to Windows. Or GNOME with some Zorin/Oeron shell modifications. Probably GNOME, but many apps are unusable and they have no fractional scaling??

I am looking so much forward to cosmic, even though I dont see at all how it should be a complete desktop soon. But Wayland only, written in Rust, from scratch exactly for the modern use case... its awesome!

Like, KDE will never be memory safe, they are bound to Qt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Plasma isn't great under heavy IO and as far as I can tell that's not really getting fixed in Plasma 6. It's one of the biggest problems I have with it right now. On faster storage it's not really a problem, especially on SSDs, but on slower storage it can definitely be. I would recommend trying a different desktop.

GNOME is generally heavier than Plasma, but might indeed perform better in the scenario. You don't have to use GNOME with GNOME applications if you don't like them. You can easily use GNOME Shell and Plasma applications. There other desktops worth a try outside of GNOME and Plasma, tho. LXQt should be very fast. Enlightenment even more so.

Also, I don't think memory safety is among KDE's biggest concerns. Qt afaik handles a lot of the memory management and it is a professional toolkit which has received a lot of testing. It shouldn't be too problematic. Writing memory safe code is also much easier in C++ than it is in C. Yeah, Rust is better, but it doesn't seem to me like this is something that's causing that many problems in KDE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Dolphin, Spectacle and probably more have memory issues. This is known.

Yeah I would hate to use GNOME, but 45 is nice and Dolphin in GNOME is totally doable.

I wouldnt use anything piggybacking off Xorg though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

They'll save children but not the GNOME-ish children,

They'll save children but not the GNOME-ish children,

It's coming... it's coming... it's coming...