They are exactly appropriate. When the Reverend is calling you out, you're supposed to fucking listen. These dudes are all about hierarchies and traditions until it doesnt suit them.
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I think it is a big step forward that the president of an enlightened state no longer places the authority of the church above his own.
How do we reconcile that with Trump's ambassador arguing that Israel has a "biblical right" to the West Bank? There's no consistency of principle here, except for the principle of "whatever suits us".
It reconciles because they're fascists. A core tenet of the ideology is being contradictory whenever it suits you
Except he panders to the church as it suits him.
Shoving protest crowds aside so you can awkwardly take a picture with a Bible in front of a church.
Claiming Israel has a divine right to Palestinian land.
But discards the significance and teachings of the church as it suits him. Shouldn't have it both ways.
I know the priest of the church he does photo ops at outside of Mar A Lago. Trump never attends church.
Doesn't Trump get his authority directly from god though, as our god emperor?
Trump gets his power from eating obscene amounts of preservatives to ensure that he never dies... Or something.
I hope he does not.
Ngl I kinda want to throw this in the faces of the fundie branch of my extended family
I think he said "not too exciting" because he didn't hear a word she said. Maybe he quickly perked up if "Mr. President" made it through his ears, but I doubt she kept his attention for long because the title wasn't included in praise.
She's very brave, and I honestly wish I could shake her hand. I don't know about Episcopalians, but for many faiths being a Bishop is just as much a political position as anything else.
Episcopalians are functionally like a more equality oriented catholic. Gay marriage is chill, women can be priests, divorce is chill. That type of stuff
This comment together with the other reply to me are interesting taken together. Why have administrations been so "conservative" if they have such a progressive faith in common?
To tack onto the other comment about divisions. The episcopal church in the middle of a schism, with a lot of churches leaving and forming what are called Continuing Anglican churches, the largest of which (to my knowledge) is the Anglican Church in North America, or the ACNA. Personally, I think they're kinda dicks, as a denomination. Left mainly over gay priests and women's ordination. The episcopal church is fairly progressive of late, though not always historically. They're a member church of the Anglican Communion, churches derived from the church of England.
I've never been prouder to be an Episcopal than I was when I heard her speech. But I'm not foolish enough to think it'll make any difference. I doubt the religiosity, genuine faith, of really any of modern presidents, but trump especially clearly has no real beliefs.
Well, it’s basically an offshoot of the church of England, which may explain why it’s so overrepresented. Got brought along to the colonies.
Also I wouldn’t call it a progressive faith per se, historically speaking. Iirc there were a lot of internal divisions and different groups splintered off and formed their own things when the pro LGBT stuff was initially decided. So it’s hard to say what an Episcopalian from say 100 years ago might have in common with the modern church
the Episcopal church is the largest single denomination between all the presidents, so it's pretty influential in that sense.
He didn't say the service was "not so exciting". He said "I didn't think it was a good service, no" and "they could do much better" (source). I know it's not a huge deal, but I'm fucking tired of the media misreporting and softening his statements.
And of course he went further on his social media:
The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater. She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology! t
What a spiteful child
I'm surprised he didn't start arguing with her.
More people need to talk to him like this in public.
He may have finally found somebody he can't bully. I can't believe I'm saying this, but huzzah for the, ugh, priest.
I keep like I need to go boil my tongue.
The Episcopal church isn't as bad as most. Next to the United Church of Christ they are the most progressive and that's sadly why they are dying.
I'm pretty sure I went to a UCC church as a kid and had a great time doing arts and crafts at "Sunday school" lol. I don't remember learning a lick about religion, but I do remember the bomb-ass potlucks, and how our pastor was one of the coolest, kindest people I've ever met.
Trump supporters are pissed and saying this bishop was giving Trump a “cnn or the view “ type lecture. I wonder what they think of that Jesus dude who said similar stuff. I wonder if they’ve heard of him. They’d probably roast him as a liberal beta
Jesus was just a weird hippie wandering around telling people to be nicer, until he messed with the rich folks’ money and promptly got nailed to a tree. He probably already has come back and got shot at the border while seeking asylum.
Matthew 25:40 and all that, not that most Christian’s have actually read the book.
I used to be Christian. Reading it again later as an adult, my overall takeaway of the stories was that there was this guy with divine knowledge walking around constantly being disappointed with the state of humanity and a hair up his ass about it. I suppose it wouldn’t be any different today, were the same entity to come back, for some fucking reason.
Anybody who actually knows what they're talking about will tell you that interacting with this society is bullshit. Doesn't take "divine knowledge", just enough open-mindedness to figure out what the deal actually is, without getting caught up in anyone's propaganda narrative.
Jesus did really nail it in that one quote, what was it exactly -
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Applies to every keyboard warrior jackass who'll sit there mocking you for hours despite being 100% wrong about everything they say. The society is imprisoned in ignorance by the people who are ignorant, proud, and vocal. Creates the illusion of a social consensus against what's actually the truth, for people who are just following social cues to figure out what's going on, instead of doing real research.
Pish what the gop going to do? Enforce Separate church and state?
Oh, poor donvict. I bet this will really roast him as he leads the charge on rolling back rights and filling up his coffers with all the grifting and the stealing.
We need more people to say stuff like this. Trump's entire stick is controlling the narrative and getting everyone to bend the knee so they say nice stuff about him. Any attempt at a counter narrative, no matter how mild mannered is a threat to his narrative and control over the discourse.
His social media response is damage control. We'll be in a better place if we start talking about how immigrants are great and trans people want to be ourselves. Talking about how we would all have more money if we taxed billionaires would help to. The fact billionaires remove wealth from the economy by never paying taxes, never paying wages, and price gouging us all at the grocery stores.
Since when has Trump ever cared what a priest told him?
Too bad it was an Episcopal bishop, so she was too genteel to really say anything. A blood-curdling sermon on how the Devil is the father of lies, and all liars and oath-breakers burn eternally in hell would have been better.
So what we need is an 1800s Northern Evangelical? Would John Brown condone being resurrected via pagan rituals if it meant he could kill wannabe slavers who takes the name of his God in vain?
I don't know that that would have been better oddly enough. At least not without specific plain English references to which particular lies and from whom they came. The problem with your more fiery poetic version is that people will simply assume the liars and oath breakers being referred to are just whoever their particular ideological opponents are so it could easily be dodged by assuming they're just calling out someone else.
Marianne is a cool lady.