this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2025
1660 points (98.9% liked)

Technology

60677 readers
3638 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
(page 3) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

How do we protect ourselves from propagandists and censors? Large, small, popular and individual.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

Unfortunately, Lemmy demonstrates pretty clearly that decentralized systems are just as vulnerable to propaganda and brain rot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Except the propaganda was explicitly grown on reddit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

So long as it is humans posting this will be a problem. The benefit of a federated system is that you can't compromise the person at the top and then everything collapses.

I just jumped on here today (from seeing this article on Reddit) but my understanding is that the advantage is that the CEO can't decide he wants to suck authoritarian cock and destroy our ability to discuss and/or organize.

(Admittedly I joined the biggest server I could find so I kind of violated that idea as well).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Welcome! Some people have gripes with dot world for being the biggest, etc. but generally you'll be fine.

You can always search for communities here as well. .

There's many apps and frontends and too. Some are preincluded into lemmy.world. If you like old reddit try old lemmy for example.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Humans are vulnerable to propaganda. Lemmy's architecture is against censorship. This helps to push back against propaganda, but only so much. But at least not being censored is a big win IMO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

You can certainly be censored on Lemmy, depending on your instance. But you can also easily go to another instance and still talk to everybody you used to talk to on the old instance.

Same thing with propaganda. Your instance can remove it from their hosted communities, or allow it. And you can go to an instance that feels good.

Does this lead to echo chambers? Probably.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

I think we have to build systems that use real-life interpersonal trust networks so that centralized entities cannot just outspend and bot their way to prominence.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Decentralized is too complicated. Worker owned is a better path forward and is centralized so it's easier to support and be understood by its users. Moderators are workers and should have equity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

Communication is not for sale.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

This is early days; I have a feeling in a few short years there will be ownership and simplicity of distributed services and whatever evolves from them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think if we had co-ops running some of these systems it would definitely alleviate some issues

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I dont want to deal with people gore spamming every single Matrix channel again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t understand this sentence. The two words I don’t know in this context are “gore” and “matrix”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Better you dont

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Gore is probably gross medical pictures. Matrix is a chat room program.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

I'm not so sure. Depends if there's a solution to the bots. Bluesky is inundated with them already.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago

I want not just decentralized

but peer to peer

like Briar, but Lemmy-style

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

Well it helps, but if you live under an oligarchy they will find ways to stop uncontrolled social media.

You have to address the root of the problem or you will ultimately fail as soon as you get big enough to be a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

Honest question, what are the incentives for instance operators to play nice, so to speak? And not just recreate new oligarch safe havens?

It seems like each instance is a miniature zone of centralization and it's still incumbent on individuals to create their own circles of influence. For better or worse that's how we get hivemind echo chambers and I'm not sure it's even in human nature to seek anything else.

Alternatively we have to rescue our friends and families when they start to fall for BS and educate them aggressively on improving the sourcing of their information.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 18 hours ago (13 children)

Guns are the only alternative to the tech oligarchy.

You think they can't buy, manipulate, or just crush decentralized social media? If anything they can do it easily, divide and conquer. FOSS ain't gonna free you, esp. when the largest contributors to FOSS projects are big corps.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

That's absurd. Large sharp dropped blades, poison, starvation, spears, looped ropes, fire... There are many alternatives available.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

so we just all buy guns and fend for ourselves? we need communities in order to fight fascism, we need to be able to organize and share valuable information with people. is technology the answer to the problem? no its not, but it is part of the answer, and to ignore that is shortsighted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

As to an answers beyond simply getting-armed-and-fostering-healthy-gun-culture-and-education-among-us:

"Practicing mutual aid is the surest means for giving each other and to all the greatest safety, the best guarantee of existence and progress, bodily, intellectually and morally."

That's Kropotkin

And then Modern Libs even observe, more verbosely:

"The structures of our state economies are going to matter in terms of protecting democracies, and by that I mean if you look at economies that were based in the kind of small producer economies like New England was vs states like the South and the American West that were always built on the idea of very high capital using extractive methods to get resources out of the land either cotton or mining or oil or water or agri business, those economies always depend on a few people with a lot of money, and then a whole bunch of people who are poor and doing the work for those Rich guys -- and that I'm not sure is compatible in terms of governance without addressing the reality that you know if people have more of a foothold in their own communities, they are then more likely to support the kinds of legislation that Community [Education, Healthcare, ..] and that may be the future of democracy, if not a national democracy"

Heather Cox Richardson, professor of American history On The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart on Trump’s Win and What’s Next https://youtu.be/D7cKOaBdFWo?t=2139 (time-stamped)

If a Conservative wants me dead, they’re going to have to work and sweat for it. I’m not doing the heavy lifting for them (A Quote I agree with)

Our resulting interactions may seem chaotic and illegible to authority, but it is through that seeming chaos that vastly complex, horizontal, and resilient practices of learning, cooperation, and reciprocity have historically arisen.

By Andrewism https://youtu.be/qkN_nQPpeSU

MASKING REALLY HELPS; Covid, RSV, Flu is a greater threat to marginalized communities. Can't do organizing without prioritizing precautions.

Show up for your neighbors. The rest will come.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›