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Article seems pretty flawed. Relevance is a vague metric, and the author relies pretty heavily on data related to government site visitation, which seems subject to bias toward certain types of users.

Market share is likely still incredibly low, but Firefox's relevance should be spiking right now due to Google's shenanigans with Chromium. The fact that like 90% of revenue for its for-profit wing is from Google is still troubling.

Any alternative views out there?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Mitchell Baker is being paid $7m a year to drive it into the ground.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Firefox needs a hard fork. It's obvious that Mozilla is just using it as their golden egg, because they know Google needs to have a "competitor" in order not to end up being sued or broken up because they have a browser monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Quoting someone from Reddit: Mozilla lost my respect years ago. They're just buzzwords and a scam, at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you just here to spark a browser war? Claims like "firefox is dead" are guaranteed to get a shit ton of comments stating the exact opposite, backed up with annecdotal evidence.

I feel obliged to do the same though. So let me tell you that I've recently switched back to firefox after years of chrome and I haven't regretted it one single moment.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I use Edge for corporate intranet, Safari for anything with real-life connected personal accounts, and Firefox for everything else. Have done so for over a decade (with Edge previously being Chrome and before that IE).

This means government sites would mostly see me as a Safari user, with the occasional Edge visit, unless I was just looking something up, in which case it’d be Firefox.

According to YouTube, I’d be 99% a Firefox user.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This is a very good example of the skewing I imagined. If you're unable or prohibited from using Firefox on work devices (as many environments restrict), all that workday traffic will be coming from "approved" browsers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

but when you tell the moz fanboys why moz sucks you'll find yourself in a meta/maga like echochamber. again and again moz made absolute shit decisions, the managing board is eating money like mad and google is STILL your default search engine. pathetic.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I didn't think that the market share was actually changing much? Like it's low but it's still used, especially on Linux workstations with nothing else pre-installed

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

I don't think the zdnet article adds much but it does link to https://news.itsfoss.com/firefox-continuous-decline/ which gets it about right. If anything has changed since it was written, evidence of it has not yet reached me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Our telemetry shows 80% of users never install any add-ons” i.e. the telemetry that any tech savvy person immediately turns off because they don’t want their browser spying on them and about which we have also complained numerous times.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

“You’re just a tiny minority, most people like the change”

They did the same shit with their redesign with their idiotic floating tabs. They look ugly and they even take up way more space, while displaying less information, for literally no reason. They argued the need this change for future FF features, which yet, several years later, have yet to appear. Here's a quote from "Paul", one of their moderators - almost 3 years ago:

Hi,

We bring a modernized and differentiated look to tabs since Firefox 89 in order to create a signature Firefox look and experience. This major redesign will help us enable more use cases and features in the future.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1338169

I love Firefox and will continue to use it, but its decline is a mixture of Google's aggressive embrace, extend, and extinguish approach and straight up continued mismanagement of the Mozilla Corporation.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

My government sites don't work with Firefox (no add-ons), have to use chrome, they recommend and only support chrome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

May I ask which country you're from? That sounds dystopian.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Use chrome for government sites and Firefox for everything else.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Before the new year, I donated 25€ for Firefox, my long-time companion to #degoogle Grapheneos and Linux. Although Google is introducing DRM, I don't think anything is so important in this life that I have to use Chrome or IE, I will adapt to the situation and instead of worrying about DRM (of course, for the public Internet, this seems like a total violation of users' rights, for safety 🤣🤣🤣, really?) I will try to be more social, but not in the sense of social networks, but hanging out with friends or listening to music or running or a good book... I definitely don't want this big corporation near me, which we are more and more they control... (google,ms,apple,amazon...) Firefox probably missed by not insisting on FirefoxOS (phones), but it has a great agenda - privacy and simplicity. I look forward to many years of using FF!!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The problem is, you can't donate to firefox. Only to the mozilla foundation which spends it on other stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Is this copy pasta

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Firefox has been irrelevant for about a decade now. Most webdevs don't even test for firefox anymore. Major websides actively ignore it and most users evidently either don't know and/or use it.

Yes, firefox is relevant as an alternative to Chromium-based browsers, but that's about it. Mozilla has done a stellar job at keeping it irrelevant to keep bagging that sweet google money.

Honestly, I hope firefox and mozilla die, to be reborn again by another entity, but Mitchell Baker probably will do their best to keep getting that sweet, sweet, Google money.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I guess Firefox market share will be closely related to Linux desktop market share

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only thing I miss in Firefox is PWA, but I still mainly use it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

What a ridiculous title, article and post.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The day Firefox gets native mouse gestures is the day I swap. Until then will continue to be a very happy Vivaldi user.

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