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What the title says, I'm tired of the trope where humans are the least advanced in the universe.

I'd like to read something different where we're the more advanced ones (not necessarily the most advanced). As an example I quite enjoyed the Ender's Game sequels and the angle of us being the more advanced ones was quite interesting.

Do you have any recommendations?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Project hail Mary was cool in the fact that it was just so... Different. Won't say too much to avoid spoilers, but I think it'll tick your boxes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know referring people to Reddit is generally considered bad form around here, but check out reddit's r/hfy. It's mostly amateur stuff, but the subreddit centers around people writing stories about humans being good at something. I haven't taken a look at it in a while, but some of the series I used to enjoy are: First Contact (the ralts_bloodthorne one), the Deathworlders (spawned the Deathworlders trope on TV tropes), Debris (ausnerd), Transcripts (squiggle story studios), They Are Smol (this is a god-tier scifi shitpost series by tinypracinghorse) along with its companion series The Smol Detective (frank leroux), and anything by regallegaleagle like Memories of Creature 88, Billy-Bob Space Trucker and Material Differences.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, will check it out when I have time, though I'm really looking for professional books (though I'm sure at least some of those you mentioned are definitely better than one of the worst sci-fi/fantasy books I ever read).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I say "amateur" in the sense that they're free, tend to be released a chapter at a time (which means sometimes series go unfinished if the writer gets bored), and typically aren't connected to a publisher. The writing quality itself can vary significantly with experience though, ranging from beginner to expert. Tbh, the ones I've listed are a lot better than 90% of the "professional" books I've read.

First Contact (by ralts_bloodthorne) and The Deathworlders are absurdly long at this point, so if you're wanting something to keep you occupied for a long time, check those out.

Transcripts is very unique, and while the writing isn't the best, it's very wholesome. I don't know how much I want to reveal, except that the differences between aliens and humans are "all in your head". It brings up a number of subjects I haven't really seen pondered in scifi, like how would an alien society with a significant empath/telepath population (significant enough to require telepathic translators) handle emotional outbursts? What are the moral issues of using cloning and gene editing to create individuals for a specific purpose in a society that is highly advanced in biotech but never figured out silicon? What if the society no longer has the base gene code for their member species because their previous masters destroyed it all in an act of spite? Are living machines morally acceptable?

Like I previously stated, They Are Smol is a shitpost and a good one at that. The first book is a little rough and the second one (the prequel aka the invasion of earth) has some serious emotional whiplash. However both are worth reading and written fairly well, just don't expect 10/10 writing. The companion series, The Smol Detective, is a bit more serious but still kinda silly. It spoofs a lot of detective stories like Columbo, Sherlock Holmes, etc.

Regal Legal Eagle's stuff is stellar, on par or better than pretty much any scifi I've read or watched. That said, Billy-Bob Space Trucker is his first book and is a bit rocky, especially at the beginning. However, it's still worth reading for going full 'MURICA (written when "'murica" was a funny meme and not, "oh god what is going on").

Debris is good and uses scifi as a lens for our current political climate (a human testing the first ftl capable ship experiences unexpected speeds and finds himself hundreds, if not thousands, of light-years from earth. He's rescued by an alien freighter along with the debris of his craft, which is where the story starts). I wouldn't say it's really treading any new ground, but I'd say it's still worth reading.

I can provide links if you'd like!

Edit: I also wanna say that /r/hfy stories (the good ones a least) tend to be a lot more... Colorful? Like, First Contact for an example, plays with the idea that humans, having become incredibly technologically advanced, only die if they have to. So stuff like Star Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer40k, Bolos, etc, are all semi-canon within the First Contact universe because different communities have reserved planets, stars, sometimes entire stellar clusters, for the purpose of LARPing these series with real weapons, full governmental systems, etc.

Like, something about a lot of hfy series tends to make them feel more real and engaging, whereas I've found a lot of published sci-fi works tend to end up feeling a little dry and humorless. Like, scifi is super serious business and we can't discuss serious topics with a humorous tone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuzzy Nation by John Scalzi.

Terran Republic series by Charles Gannon has humans more advanced than one or two, but definitely not at the top of the pack.

Sector General by James White has humans as part of the large alliance of races. The alliance is more advanced than some of the races they encounter.

Foreigner series by C J Cherryh has humans far more technologically advanced, however the small number that reach the alien world have to learn to live peacefully with the aliens.

Most of the Stars wars books have humans as very advanced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fuzzy Nations is a retelling of Little Fuzzy by H. Beam Piper. Having read both, I can report that I liked Fuzzy Nation 300% more. But if someone likes one they may as well try the other.

Little Fuzzy is kind of hilariously western, with everyone smoking and gun-toting :P it's also decidedly more sexist and less interesting in the way it handles the aliens and the legal fight around them. Very dated. But it can be fun anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you are willing to venture into fanfiction, there are some tags on archiveofourown.org - like "humans are space orcs", " earth is a deathworld", "earth is space australia" - for fics that feature overpowered humans relative to the aliens. Most of these are so AU that you don't need any knowledge of the ostensible source material. The trope seems popular particularly with My Hero Academia and Minecraft youtuber fandoms, for whatever reason.

Generally, the scifi worldbuilding is usually really light, including names "made alien" by adding apostrophes and that kind of thing - but they scratch and itch that almost nothing else does. And they're free! So maybe worth a try at least. Just make sure to filter by kudos.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Will check it out, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The culture series? It's not outright said they're human, but they're clearly human. And they outscale basically every single thing in the universe. Or at least in the first few books. Might change later.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In Excession it felt more like

spoilerThe Culture is a race of intelligent starships that keeps humans as pets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir, author of The Martian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Came here to say this. Although I'm not sure the aliens are 'primitive' as much as they're more advanced in certain areas and behind in others?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

A few that I can recommend are:

  • Angel Station by Walter Jon Williams
  • Dragon's Egg by Robert L. Forward
  • Blindsight by Peter Watts
  • Schild's Ladder by Greg Egan