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I've been trying to find out more about this because the story doesn't make any sense:

"he approached the sleeping woman, and then lit her on fire with what was believed to be a lighter. She added the victim's clothes became fully engulfed in a matter of seconds."

Clothing shouldn't just be flammable like that without some kind of accelerant.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Statutes/Flammable-Fabrics-Act

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The suspect being an immigrant is the main reason this will be a multi-day national story. It's a fucked up way to kill someone, but even with that in mind, there's no way they'd make a national story out of a homeless woman being murdered in NYC except to serve a broader agenda.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

Oh come off it. Burning someone alive is why it’ll be a multi-day national story.

How can you even say that given that the last multi-day story was a fare jumper being shot at and the one before that was someone being choked to death? Neither of which, to my knowledge, involved immigrants.

Keep stirring that race pot though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, there's also the burning person on a subway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean how often does that happen? Like legitimately?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I don't know. But I'm sure it doesn't happen so much that it would be ignored by the news.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Watch the police do as little as possible over this. She was the opposite of a CEO.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In fairness, they did catch the guy pretty quickly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

They caught a guy, 3 days after after the killing in the surveillance state of a city that is NYC. And some compelling evidence they didn't catch the killer but just some guy that might have been in a watch list.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Homeless people might use layers of all kinds of stuff to stay warm (think newspaper, etc as a common material), they also don't have the privilege of being able to wash their clothes very often. There could have been all sorts of things that compromise the flame retardancy of the clothing.

People don't typically expect to be set on fucking fire while they sleep, so it's not usually a risk to be concerned about.

The guy that did this is an absolute psycho

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

There's no evidence but I'm wondering if the dude came up to this sleeping woman, poured alcohol on her, then lit her up.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago

So we're doing terrorism charges for all homicides in NYC now right? Right?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So we don't know anything about this thug? Burning homeless people on the subway?!?! Republicans prolly prepping him to be a national celebrity

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From Guatamala though, so expect the usual "alien" hate.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Fuck this guy, idc where the fuck he's from. Wildly fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd rather hate the lack of mental health and support systems available. If it was just a random act of violence, he's the suspect is just mentally unwell and you can't really stop them without structural changes. It's not hard to find articles and articles about homeless people attacking random people with bricks in NYC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That plays into Trumps whole "they're sending us their criminals and emptying their asylums" bullshit though. :(

Agreed that mental health care should be a guarantee just like "health care" because, well, it is health care.

But that won't be the narrative from the "deport them all" crowd.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No press briefing with the chief of investigators, NYPD?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

In the words of our boys in blue in Seattle... She had limited value.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t know anything about this but in my misspent youth kids would take the regulator off adjustable disposable butane lighters and you could light the lighter and then basically pour the butane out of the lighter.

Something like that could surely ignite clothing and appear to be “just” a lighter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Oh, yeah, that makes a ton more sense...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I seem to remember a string of copycat attacks where lighter fluid or gas was sprayed inside a kiosk that contained a cashier or person taking tickets. Think there were several deaths.

Expect that an accelerant like gas or lighter fluid was used in this case. Doesn't take much.

Monstrous thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Aren't winter jackets very flammable?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Protip from a fire performer

Buy a boiled wool peacoat. You can put out a small fire with it. Thrift stores usually have em for like $20

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Thanks! Wool really is a great material.

I've recently been enlightened to the benefits of merino wool. Wish it was more affordable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No, I think they're legally required to be self-extinguishing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Thankfully used clothes don't have to comply with the "woke" agenda, nor do hand-made clothes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's pretty well known that polyester and other artificial fibers are very flammable, no?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Poly will melt rather than burn and generally self extinguishes. That's what makes this so weird:

https://youtu.be/stTUA5ckhc8

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Polyester propagates pretty easily if the fire is big enough. It only "self extinguishes" sometimes when the gloop of melted plastic falls off, or if the flame is small. But a large flame will for sure spread, especially if it's a thin and airy fabric or a blend.

(Am fire performer, I frequently light this shit on fire for safety demos)

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