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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Let's look at what are they apologizing for: "for the confusion and angst ... [the policy we announced] caused". Not for the policy itself. Right, "we're sorry you got mad".

And what are they going to do about it? "making changes"

As far as corporate non-apologies go, this is definitely one of them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Business speak apology PR might work on the average gamer.

This is businesses he tried to screwed over.

But it just goes to show that some CEOs have no idea what their product does.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

His product sells ads. There's a game engine in there somewhere to get people through the door, but that's not what he considers the product.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does say "the policy we announced", not "the announcement"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You're right, fixed. I think my point is still valid though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there was no "confusion." They meant what they said the first time.

Believe people when they tell you what they are.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The trust is gone and Unity will never be able to gain it back. The damage is done.

I also wonder if this is just playing out as planned by Unity. Try to push out a change that will piss people off by adding a more egregious change and then say "we hear you" and roll back to the change they wanted to push initially.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Iirc this was the kinda thing Tortellini was doing while he was at EA. Shove out a bad thing, apologize, shove out slightly less bad thing.

Edit: Sure enough, they're trying to push out a less shitty version now. They planned it this way the whole time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They only way they could even have a shot at getting the trust back would be to do a 180, revert all the shit decision like remove license tracking and whatnot, and in their ToS commit to clear guarantees like the original ToS being applicable not just to the version of Unity you have, but to the whole major version so you apply for LTS updates under the original license you started developing for.

If they want to charge more or extra for free to play games or something, they can still do that, just not in a shit way.

Oh and they should take another look at their data collection to better comply with privacy laws and whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their ToS did say that updates would only apply to the current major version and newer of Unity when the updated ToS was released, but they removed that clause without telling anyone about a year ago and are claiming their changes are retroactive, so that can't even be trusted. At this point, I can't see any game dev beginning work on a new Unity project ever again without some kind of ironclad guarantee that this would never happen again. My prediction is we'll see maybe 1 or 2 years of games released on Unity, just from the ones that were already too far into development to start over on something else, and then Unity is done for good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah was it for the major version already? Well they shozuld definitely go back to that, if not even further then to show their commitment (like, say, 2 LTS versions).

But yeah, you are right. We've already seen hundreds of people check out Godot, I hope it only grows from there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I doubt any of this is going according to plan. After this debacle devs will leave Unity because you know they are gonna think up some new fee to screw devs over. This at least makes it so that games in development with Unity have a chance to release and pick another engine after that project.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago

Too late. Never trust them again.

They showed their true intentions

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

We're sorry you called us out on our bullshit.

We will try to fuck you over more subtly next time.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

They lost all trust with the proposed changes. No amount of apologies or non-apologies are going to matter at this point. It's entirely damage control on the Titanic now. I don't believe there's anything that can rescue the sinking ship that is Unity.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Lol.

Lmao even.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

They’re trying to put the lid back on Pandora’s box. Good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"we're sorry that you all didn't agree with our terms demand, so we cancel the term, for now"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not even that. More like "stop shouting and give us a few days, we'll change some things, we promise".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

We have altered the deal. Pray we do not alter it further.

This deals getting worse all the time!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Cool. Still don't care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You want to prove you're sorry? Fire your CEO. He is going to lose you a LOT of money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The CEO is not the issue here.

The man sold 50k stocks in the company just this year, 2k of which the day before the announcement, he knows this is suicide.

The board needs to go, but the reality is that unless you go private there's not much to do on that front.

In fact, when they do fire him, don't expect things to change. This is an Ellen Pao maneuver.