Why wouldn't she shake hands? Just bigotry?
this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2023
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Oh I dunno, let's have your country invaded, your children slaughtered in their schools, your women and children raped, your prisoners of war tortured and executed, your monuments and cultural touchstones destroyed, your homes and apartments bombed indiscriminately until several of your cities are completely flattened.
Then let's have you compete with a person who is representing the invaders. Wearing their flag, singing their anthem. And then you're expected to shake their hand?
We'll see if you can't sympathize then.
The US, the UK, most of western Europe have done far worse to countries across the globe and presumably they have their hands shaken all the time at these events. This girl is not responsible for America's latest war.
Maybe if they get their hands shaken all the time at these events, it means they haven't done "far worse"...
How many innocent people do you think the US has killed in the past 20 years? Just take a guess, in millions, obviously.
Far more than it should be.
Why does this matter to the issue at hand? The issue here is with Russia and Ukraine. Why are you mudding the waters with a new topic? USA bad doesn't mean people can't think Russia bad.
I was asking the guy who thought that the west hadn't done far worse.
Oh, because someone did something worse, that makes this okay? Grow up, or go tilt at windmills.
Tu Quoque.
Their point is the double standard. Either apply it consistently or not at all. If athletes are representing their country in all aspects when competing internationally, all athletes should be held to that standard.
If an athlete refused to shake a USian athletes hand because of the war crimes of their country, including ones ongoing at this very moment, you would be on board with it then? There would be precious few handshakes that could be given out on international sporting stages, that is for sure.
No one asked me. No double standard here my friend. I call a military industrial complex what it is AND manage to see the Russian genocide of Ukraine for what IT is.
If you've got problems with your opponent tapping a sabre instead of a handshake for the opponent's press to run through the disinformation mill is more then sufficient.
Please don't call things you don't like "genocide". It's immature and shows you up to be an unserious drama queen.
Either you have a slanted view of what is happening in Ukraine, or you don't know what genocide means. I encourage you to look into it in either case.
https://time.com/6262903/russia-ukraine-genocide-war-crimes/
Pure propaganda. Don't be so gullible. If this was genocide half the US military and political elites would be rotting. They don't even recognise the court and have threatened to invade the NL if they're ever charged.
And from my perspective, you have no interest in arguing in good faith, or engaging in critical thinking on this topic.
It's unfortunate, but neither of us is benefiting from further conversation here.
I wish you well.
You're hysterically calling things "genocide" and I'm not arguing in good faith? Grow up.
This attitude to a greater extent is what lead to Japanese American children being thrown in concentration camps.
This is a shaken hand when someone is representing a country, not a child trying to live their life free. You've built a wonderful strawman.
Do you think athletes literally represent their countries as avatars or something? Representing your country in an athletic competition does not mean agreeing with everything your country does, or even with most things your country does. Look at all the US black athletes in the 1936 Olympics.
In the Olympics, do we not say what "country" won the medals, fly their flag, play their anthem? It's not my narrative, but the one the Olympics has written.
Okay and if someone shot her at the competition would they be shooting her, or Russia? Her, obviously. Yours is a silly line of argumentation steeped in national symbolism.
You're attacking me instead of my point. Until you address it I have nothing more to say.
No, I made you look silly by attacking your point. There is a difference.